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Saint?MaryHedgehog The child asked me today what...

2012-07-04T07:58:34.659+01:00

Saint?MaryHedgehog

The child asked me today what was Jesus Christ. I explained to him JC was a zombie (he has an interest in zombies and knows that they are fictional) and that people have thought he was god. I thought it a reasonable way to explain it to the mind of a 7 year old.

John

‘An interesting feature is that you tend to see everything in terms of left and right, which seem vaguely synonymous to right and wrong. So left is right and right is wrong.’

I don’t. Although I think left wing ideas in general are ethically superior to right wing ideas. One emphasizes society and sharing, the other individualism and greed. That is a simplification but we don’t have time here to write Das Kapital or the The Wealth of Nations. Yet in practice the Left have often proved as abysmal as the right. They seem to have a religious mindset to ideas and are eager to suppress that which challenges them intellectually.

‘I remember an old Spanish priest saying ...’

Hard to get my attention for what Spanish priests say. Too many of them endorsed the murder of their Basque priest colleagues during the reign of the fascists.

‘All indiscriminate attacks would be condemned by right morality. The British were masters of indiscriminate bombing in their saturation attacks on Dresden and beyond.’

Very true. No different from Sodom and Gomorrah on that regard.

‘I have never considered abortion as a religious matter, and regard the view of the Catholic Church as being only a confirmation of the only reasonable position to take on the subject. In fact my primary objection to abortion is not that it is murder.’

The view of the church is just that a view; means little to many people. Yet there are so many reasonable people who do not take the view that it is murder and they regard that as a reasonable view to take. As much as I dislike it I do not label it murder.

‘I believe that modern science is coming to the same conclusion that life starts at conception’

I don’t know enough about it but it seems not to be coming to the view that abortion is murder.

‘Meanwhile, even if we did not see this as human life, induced abortion would still be wrong as it is diametrically opposed to the finality of nature. All of nature is there to give life, not to stifle it.’

Nature would have killed us off long ago had we not have found ways to harness it and at times thwart it.

‘But my primary opposition to abortion is the one of human reason, rather than religion.’

I have difficulty with that. It seems to me that you are driven by religion. Whatever about that, my acceptance of a woman’s right to choose is shaped by human reason. So in that situation society has to make a choice. It can listen to your reason and then mine. Then it is decision time.

John, we are not alike at all. You are totally i...

2012-06-24T08:04:02.541+01:00

John,

we are not alike at all. You are totally intolerant and I won't tolerate that!!

I thought Pavone was involved in some scandal over money. No longer recall.

Robert,

I agree faith should be an absolutely personal matter. John's notion that people must submit is so similar to the Nazi concept of the relationship between state and society. It makes Christianity sound like Islam. Totalitarian systems are always dangerous.

That said there are many Protestants who can't resist ramming it down our throats and threatening people with hell if we don’t believe what they believe.

Saint?MaryHedgehog,

I love Kindle. It is so easy to use and is super convenient. And I am not a teccie at all. Anything on the web I need done my wife does it! Even Twitter!

‘RE abortion Am not pro it but i would strongly suggest to you to leave interventions/counselling of individuals who choose it up to healthcare professionals & affiliated health providers.’

Rather than listen to rants about hell and murder from the dour old boys club at the Vatican. What say you Cardinal Pell on those inferior Jews?

‘I have grown weary of those who purport to represent survivors of clergy abuse. We have our own voices = empower us to lead the charge ... I just think disempowerment happens when too many do gooders jump on the wagon of rights. I am a great believer in giving the victim the voice rather than an organisation.’

There is something in that but I think the organisations have been sharp and focussed and have sent the beetles scuttling with their discourse on the matter. So long as they do not usurp victims I think it is okay.

What's the problem with statue, worship someon...

2012-06-24T00:54:45.072+01:00

What's the problem with statue, worship someone who is teling us that he is three and then that he is everywhere... and after that you want to talk to us rationally!

Robert said 'Faith, indeed Protestant faith, ...

2012-06-24T00:04:05.121+01:00

Robert said
'Faith, indeed Protestant faith, should be an intensely personal matter.'

That may express the protestant view. It does not express the Catholic view, which states that the individual, the family and society should all submit to the Kingship of Christ.
(See Quas Primas of Pope Pius XI).

Anthony, Faith, indeed Protestant faith, should b...

2012-06-23T23:23:52.141+01:00

Anthony,

Faith, indeed Protestant faith, should be an intensely personal matter. Civil and religious liberty for all and that includes colander wearing non believers such as yourself!

AM said to Robert, 'you must wear hush puppies...

2012-06-23T23:14:52.646+01:00

AM said to Robert,
'you must wear hush puppies when it comes to religion. You never seem to rant about it!'

I know atheists too who don't rant too. We must be more alike than you would care to admit, lol!

Robert, you must wear hush puppies when it comes ...

2012-06-23T23:06:00.693+01:00

Robert,

you must wear hush puppies when it comes to religion. You never seem to rant about it!

Anthony, I appreciate that you accept none of it....

2012-06-23T23:00:40.053+01:00

Anthony,

I appreciate that you accept none of it. Your atheism is no more an issue for me than your choice of footwear!

Robert, My reference to Protestant slanders of Cat...

2012-06-23T22:42:01.534+01:00

Robert,
My reference to Protestant slanders of Catholic belief was aimed at those who accuse Catholics of ‘worshiping’ statues, and regurgitate the silly accusations of such things as the ‘Maria Monk’ lies. These same people think that an indulgence is a permission to permit sin; and that the Blessed Virgin is somehow a pagan goddess.

I was not referring to modernist Rome, that authored the Catechism you have quoted. But I do not believe that the contents of that Catechism are being passed on to our children. The practices that have developed since the 1960s and 70s have led most Catholics to abandon their faith in the real presence.

Robert, nice to see you popping it. But I confess...

2012-06-23T22:19:33.692+01:00

Robert,

nice to see you popping it. But I confess, it is all mermaids and unicorns to me. How people get serious about it is beyond me.

John, `It is so strange to hear all the well-worn...

2012-06-23T22:15:33.257+01:00

John,

`It is so strange to hear all the well-worn protestant slanders coming from those who were once Catholic.'

A Protestant slander from the Catholic Catechism for you to consider.

V. The Sacramental Sacrifice Thanksgiving, Memorial, Presence

1374 In the most blessed sacrament of the Eucharist "the body and blood, together with the soul and divinity, of our Lord Jesus Christ and, therefore, the whole Christ is truly, really, and substantially contained."This presence is called 'real' - by which is not intended to exclude the other types of presence as if they could not be 'real' too, but because it is presence in the fullest sense: that is to say, it is a substantial presence by which Christ, God and man, makes himself wholly and entirely present."

Jphn, 'You are repulsed by something you have...

2012-06-23T22:05:03.435+01:00

Jphn,

'You are repulsed by something you have never really known.'

Cause to be thankful

AM, 'but you don't seriously expect us to ...

2012-06-23T21:12:47.763+01:00

AM,
'but you don't seriously expect us to buy into any of that? Are we really expected to believe that the difference between a wafer and a plastic statue is a bit of magic makes one god?'

I am not expecting you to buy into anything, you being a heathen and all, Anthony.

But I clarified we do NOT worship statues, (in the modern sense of that word).

It is so strange to hear all the well-worn protestant slanders coming from those who were once Catholic. The truth be known, I don't think the Catholic Faith has been taught in Ireland for about two generations.

That the Faith was not handed on is a form of abuse in itself, because you who reject it, never knew it. You are repulsed by something you have never really known.

John, but you don't seriously expect us to bu...

2012-06-23T19:38:43.460+01:00

John,

but you don't seriously expect us to buy into any of that? Are we really expected to believe that the difference between a wafer and a plastic statue is a bit of magic makes one god?

‘but they worship the host, or wafer as I term it,...

2012-06-23T19:29:01.412+01:00

‘but they worship the host, or wafer as I term it, and it is not nmeant to be representative’

Yes. We do give divine worship to the Host. It is a wafer before it has been transubstantiated, it then ceases to be a wafer, but becomes a Host, i.e. Victim. The Host is God, and therein lies the evil in its desecration: whether that be by atheists impaling it with rusty nails or Novus Ordo ‘priests’ who would approach the altar after abusing a child.

As the ‘Adoro Te Devote’ expresses it;

I devoutly adore you, O hidden Deity,
Truly hidden beneath these appearances.
My whole heart submits to you,
And in contemplating you,
It surrenders itself completely.
Sight, touch, taste are all deceived
In their judgment of you,
But hearing suffices firmly to believe.
I believe all that the Son of God has spoken;
There is nothing truer than this word of truth.
On the cross only the divinity was hidden,
But here the humanity is also hidden.
I believe and confess both,
And ask for what the repentant thief asked.
I do not see the wounds as Thomas did,
But I confess that you are my God.
Make me believe more and more in you,
Hope in you, and love you.
O memorial of our Lord's death!
Living bread that gives life to man,
Grant my soul to live on you,
And always to savor your sweetness.
Lord Jesus, Good Pelican,
wash me clean with your blood,
One drop of which can free
the entire world of all its sins.
Jesus, whom now I see hidden,
I ask you to fulfill what I so desire:
That the sight of your face being unveiled
I may have the happiness of seeing your glory. Amen

Of course, as always, it is better in Latin!

John, but they worship the host, or wafer as I te...

2012-06-23T17:25:05.098+01:00

John,

but they worship the host, or wafer as I term it, and it is not nmeant to be representative

SMH ‘When i was growing up inside the Beast of Cat...

2012-06-23T16:56:14.107+01:00

SMH
‘When i was growing up inside the Beast of Catholicism we paid money to light candles to pray in front of statues.’

If you were ever taught to pray to a statue, then you were not a Catholic, but an idolater. Do you think that those who light a flame at a tomb of an unknown soldier are worshipping the soldier, or is it rather in memory of what it represents? If you kneel down to pray next to your bed, are you worshipping your mattress?

‘Flowers were placed in front or on statues. Prayers for the dead, prayers for this n that... ‘
Still not a sign of worship. Happens at funerals every day.

‘what is worship of the purported Queen of Heaven but idolatry aka Isis origin..’
Catholics honour God’s Mother. In Christ’s first reported miracle, those in need went to the Mother of Jesus, She interceded with Her Son, who changed water into wine. The use of the word ‘worship’ that you consistently use is not one that a Catholic would use, as its meaning has changed over the centuries. (Another reason to stick to Latin).

‘You should listen to your elders I am one :-)’
But you seem to have swallowed every protestant lie going. I am well aware what the Catholic Church teaches on these things as I have not succumbed to the novelties of Vatican II, hence we stick to all the ways and practices that you would have had.

‘but most of all you should read what Jesus said.’
How do we know what He said? Oh, yes, the Catholic Church has written and lovingly guarded His words. Its councils and Popes approved the canon of Scriptures and sifted the false writings from the true. Its monks wrote them out by hand for fifteen hundred years to pass them on to us. I do agree with you that we should read what He said.

‘My own artwork and statement – Completed Montage – Vomit on the Vatican by an ex catholic. Read what i wrote rather than ponder the garish artwork. It answers everything i don’t have time to write here.’
The one point I absolutely agree with you on is that since the Second Vatican Council, those in authority have not used it. They will be answerable for that. You conclude from that, that the whole edifice is rotten. I conclude that there is a truth underlying that will never be destroyed no matter how many within the Church defect. Meanwhile I have nothing to do with those you refer to as ‘the Vatican’. I await a proper Catholic Restoration.

‘The sad thing is people like you are just not listening... you should be listening and seeing but refuse to.’
I am listening, and I can see that you have been hurt. But your bad experience does not negate the truth of something. For example, in England at the so-called Reformation, almost the entire hierarchy defected. Does that make the Church wrong, of course not. It makes those who defected wrong. One obscure bishop remained steadfast and that is where the Church was. Today we remember St John Fisher. Who could name the others?

‘Priestess Pottymouth ahaha I think that she made a strong statement at Vatican but it has eluded you what it is... you were distracted by her imperfections!’
I guess that is what was worrying Amnesty Ireland. People tend to be distracted by such things, and they didn’t want that to happen.

‘She would do well to walk away from Catholicism altogether imo.’
She did.

‘You cannot build a new house on sinking sand... Sin-e’
The Church was built on the rock of Peter, but even he denied Christ three times and sunk while trying to walk on water.

@OgJohnMcGirr Re was u ever a Catholic etc Answ...

2012-06-23T02:50:55.627+01:00

@OgJohnMcGirr Re was u ever a Catholic etc Answer – yes birthed into it. From a fullon catholic upbringing. I have left the cult LEFT like Elvis has left the building! The nightmare is long over but the healing is protracted/life long. When i was growing up inside the Beast of Catholicism we paid money to light candles to pray in front of statues.

Flowers were placed in front or on statues. Prayers for the dead, prayers for this n that... What are the rosary beads but a mandala and what is worship of the purported Queen of Heaven but idolatry aka Isis origin. You could be in India or VietNam doing the same to Hindi gods/goddesses or a rotund Buddha. It beggars belief you cannot see.

You should listen to your elders I am one :-) but most of all you should read what Jesus said. I don’t care if someone is prod or catholic or Buddhist or atheist. I do care if they promote their belief or their construct belief system when it has destroyed childrens lives... I am convinced loyalists, OO’s and the Vatican radicalised Islam, Sharia are plagues of the world

My own artwork and statement – Completed Montage – Vomit on the Vatican by an ex catholic. Read what i wrote rather than ponder the garish artwork. It answers everything i don’t have time to write here.
http://maryhedgehog.blogspot.com.au/2011/10/completed-montage-vomit-on-vatican-by.html

There are times and seasons. I've done me part in having a voice for those who will come after us. Dont ever think it was easy to do so. I just hide the torment well. The sad thing is people like you are just not listening... you should be listening and seeing but refuse to. I did have a laugh at your horror re Sinead O’C’s swearing and that she dresses sometimes in a priests outfit. Priestess Pottymouth ahaha I think that she made a strong statement at Vatican but it has eluded you what it is... you were distracted by her imperfections! She would do well to walk away from Catholicism altogether imo.
You cannot build a new house on sinking sand... Sin-e
www.molestedcatholics.com

John I add the pope, cardinals,bishops ,priests di...

2012-06-22T13:50:28.574+01:00

John I add the pope, cardinals,bishops ,priests dickeydodgers,the legion of Mary and the rest to your spitting comment,oh by the way I would add muslims,jews, prods, and all those wee fat budda bastards, the one true FSM is where its really at a cara, all hail the upsidedown colander!!

SMH ‘I despise all those catholic statues lumps of...

2012-06-22T10:36:57.400+01:00

SMH
‘I despise all those catholic statues lumps of plaster, paint and wood. Lighting candles and praying to them is tragic indoctrination from our catholic childhoods. I spit on it all.’

This is the root of your fundamental misunderstanding. Catholics do NOT pray to statues. They use statues and holy pictures merely to represent loved ones in Heaven, as we would our loved ones on earth. Therefore my mentioning a photo of your ma is not to wind you up. It is to explain what a statue or an icon is.

In fact, even the secular world erects statues and pictures to important people. You would have to be pretty dumb to pray to these or ‘prettier dumber’ to think that others do. Were you ever really a Catholic, because I have never known of a Catholic who prays to statues? That is a figment of the protestant imagination.
Johntheyounger!

@BroPopeMcGirr re sinead/twitter and suchlike. Dis...

2012-06-22T04:41:02.638+01:00

@BroPopeMcGirr re sinead/twitter and suchlike. Dis inhibition occurs online with most people when they r upset, angry, unwell, driven by a conviction & go online. The problem with internet dialogue (text/image etc) is once its on the net it is on the net permanently. Hence anyone can view and critique from whatever angle they want to & make conclusions. Personally i think it is unwise to go online when one knows one is on edge or one is getting too heightened in responses but most of us have succumbed to doing just that in some form. I like the many know we are in a cyber spooksville also...
Bipolar individuals are often highly intelligent/sensitive/creative souls. Not a good combo when the illness busts through meds or the person goes off meds. It must be a hell of a journey for some. NB No human being is their diagnosis- i mean do we go round calling someone with diabetes “that diabetic” and shape our view of them from an illness. No of course not but with mental illness the general public often do.

NB Abuse when you are young melts your developing synapses in fact research has shown it does but the brain has plasticity so all is not lost. You either become a victim or roll wif it and build something good from it. I am not one for cry me a river bullshit as it just debilitates more. Life is brutal, harden up, learn new ways to survive or go under is where it is at. It also gives one additional skills in discerning what is going on for some in crisis & being able to empower them to fight on.

Your using an image of my Mother being destroyed as a comparison to my destroying a religious icon (of Isis origin) is dumb as. Comes across like some daft tosser in jail trying to wind someone up for an emotive, violent response. I despise all those catholic statues lumps of plaster, paint and wood. Lighting candles and praying to them is tragic indoctrination from our catholic childhoods. I spit on it all. Go anywhere in the world and u see the same stuff. I once had a heated argument with some Buddhist monks who tried to extract an exorbitant amount of money out of me. When i refused to cough up (& why should i & i aint rich) but donated a modest amount one monk screamed at me “The curse of Buddha be on u” in broken English (not feeling the love baby!) . A few minutes later a stray dog attacked me as i stood peering in disgust at the monstrous laughing Buddha (VietNam) Ach! tis the curse the curse lolol O and for your google searches one of the strangest religions/cults imo is Cao Dai (VN). That great big poxed eye of Horus is everywhere in the world & on it all goes The artwork is spectacular mind. PS God is Spirit not icons. slan

@john "I believe that modern science is comin...

2012-06-22T03:22:51.694+01:00

@john "I believe that modern science is coming to the same conclusion that life starts at conception, as the Catholic Church teaches"
We have a governement in Canada that proclaming the same thing. They only use the scientific argument for abortion. When we talk about global warming or the theory of evolution, they don't want to hear about scientist.
come on!

SMH, ‘@ JohnMcGirr As if i am gonna trawl thru all...

2012-06-21T16:00:09.056+01:00

SMH,
‘@ JohnMcGirr As if i am gonna trawl thru all yer links.’

Well that explains a lot. You are answering what you think I’m saying rather than what I am saying.

‘Anthony can and does! He is kind in his own way. ‘

Can’t dispute that.

‘I am 53 & hate twitter, facebook, mobile fones, kindles, skype etc.’

That was very cheeky of me to ask that, but you did call me an ‘old codger’. You are old enough to be my ‘older sister’, ha ha. I hate twitter and skype too, but use the others. Guess it is my relative youthfulness that allows it.

‘I took a look at twitter tho due to your shock horror number.
There was nothing on Sineads twitter account interactions that was remotely shocking or out of the norm.’

You don’t think a whole day ‘effin and blindin’ at everyone because she thinks she has been slighted is unusual. Even she apologized for a lot of it.

‘RE abortion Am not pro it but i would strongly suggest to you to leave interventions/counselling of individuals who choose it up to healthcare professionals & affiliated health providers.’

I restricted myself to saying the Rosary. A lot of Irish girls in particular would not go ahead when they saw us, so many came back to thank us and the mill closed.

‘Now i must away to self flagellate for decapitating a poxy graven image of Gods Mum lol.’

Do you think a photograph of you ma would be a ‘graven image’? The average god doesn’t like their ma abused, so why would the one who entrusted His one to us at His Crucifixion be different?

John, Most people who call you insane here do it ...

2012-06-21T09:48:41.036+01:00

John,

Most people who call you insane here do it to wind you up.

Those people who stand outside abortion clinics remind me of the Harryville mob. I recall a discussion one time where it was proposed to picket a synagogue over something to do with Israel. I thought it daft.

@ JohnMcGirr As if i am gonna trawl thru all yer l...

2012-06-21T02:22:16.001+01:00

@ JohnMcGirr As if i am gonna trawl thru all yer links. Anthony can and does! He is kind in his own way. Thorough & intellectually sharp as a razor. U r fortunate he engages the way he does. I do not have that type of patience.
I am 53 & hate twitter, facebook, mobile fones, kindles, skype etc. They shit me after awhile as they r time wasters. I am addicted to firing up a laptop wherever i am. If u go online on yer mobile someone always rings u to say hi how u be, nice weather aint it etc & tell u some trivial crap u could do without There is no end to the intrusions in this era. I hate it.

I took a look at twitter tho due to your shock horror number.
There was nothing on Sineads twitter account interactions that was remotely shocking or out of the norm.

I just hope she doesnt burn out in the cause... U know self cares. Every man and his dog was there = all the suicide prevention orgs. One of them i did some work for voluntarily ages ago when they were setting up their service. It was good to see young lads speaking out who have dep.

RE abortion Am not pro it but i would strongly suggest to you to leave interventions/counselling of individuals who choose it up to healthcare professionals & affiliated health providers.
Now i must away to self flagellate for decapitating a poxy graven image of Gods Mum lol.