Comments on The Pensive Quill: Flags, here we go again

Frankie, I have no doubt that many British troops...

2013-03-12T08:55:32.694Z

Frankie,

I have no doubt that many British troops carried a hatred. But I think it was more 'hate Paddy' than 'hate Taig'.

Oddly enough I am browsing thru an oral history of the British Army in the North, probably similar to the work you read.

I think we should always put the British state in the frame for its use of violence rather than allow troop violence to be depicted as sectarian. State violence rather than sectarian violence is a more appropriate term I think when the state is involved. It makes it more difficult to escape culpability as a player and limits its ability to pass itself of as a benign referee.

Frankie: In the name of God, that looks nothing l...

2013-02-26T00:06:29.146Z

Frankie:

In the name of God, that looks nothing like you, are you gerry pretending to be Frankie. lol

Bookworm... Anymore comments like that and I'...

2013-02-25T22:37:39.774Z

Bookworm...

Anymore comments like that and I'll take you off my christmas card list.

Lots of people have said that. I'll change it to the Chuck Norris look.

For Jesus' sake Frankie, I thought you were go...

2013-02-25T22:27:39.727Z

For Jesus' sake Frankie, I thought you were going for the Gerry Adams look in your photo!

You're the duck egg of him!

The beard was a one off. Two yrs ago my son asked ...

2013-02-25T21:38:48.830Z

The beard was a one off. Two yrs ago my son asked me to grow a beard and paint it for Paddy's day. It sounded like a plan..

Maybe I am psycho Bookworm. But as Waylon Jennings said in a song...

I've always been crazy (it helps me from going insane)

Frankie; I knew I recognised you! You're the...

2013-02-25T19:34:07.067Z

Frankie; I knew I recognised you!

You're the case study yer man used in his book showing us how to spot a psychopath!

Ps. Your beard needs trimming.

Bookworm, A wee favour. I seen last night you men...

2013-02-25T19:13:24.492Z

Bookworm,

A wee favour. I seen last night you mentioned half of the posters not fitting a profile. What does my picture say about me. There is a very innocent explanation..

Frankie; got it now. Thanks for clearing that up! ...

2013-02-25T17:17:25.693Z

Frankie; got it now. Thanks for clearing that up!

Troublemakers and agitators these crackers, Aren't they?I must admit I like the sound of them.

I'm on the same hymn sheet marty. The more I r...

2013-02-25T14:06:58.116Z

I'm on the same hymn sheet marty. The more I read, watch, videos, listen...scratch the surface of what happened between 1969 and onwards, Mi5, RUC SB etc are always there in the back ground with their finger prints every where.

frankie a cara what would be hard to believe abou...

2013-02-25T13:39:27.109Z

frankie a cara what would be hard to believe about the states forces being involved in nefarious activities,? Mamai showband, Nairac,! Dublin and Monaghan, FRU need I go on a cara it was all par for the course...

Bookworm, Sorry the link about the difference between a hacker and a cracker didn't work. That link should work. I very much doubt if James is a hacker. A cracker Je ne sais pas

Anthony..
I think the case could be made that rather than state terrorism being sectarian, sectarian killings were often state terrorism

I'm still convinced that some BA were guilty of blatant/naked sectarianism after watching Soldiers' Stories Northern Ireland. Some of the BA interviewed admited they hated the Irish with a vengence. There are a few funny stories told like how a BA patrol in the Markets (during the honeymoon period) got called 'The Adams Family'. Which is apt when you consider how things have panned out.

There is also a sinister admission about 7min 40seconds into part 3..and there was a bomb scare in the SF HQ on the Falls Road and the place was crawling with RUC SB (which was out of the norm)...Long story short, instead of clearing up and opening the road the SB photocopied everything in sight in the SF office. It confirmed in part what Brendan Hughes said in Voices..That there were bombs exploding in the name of the IRA that he couldn't (nor anyone else connected) account for. It's made me wonder were all IRA related bombs actually IRA bombs...

I stumbled across incident 597 it's about an illegal SAS op in South Armagh..I'm inclined to believe it.

Willie Frazer was among a crowd of about 100 peopl...

2013-02-23T23:29:50.109Z

Willie Frazer was among a crowd of about 100 people who took part in a protest at Belfast City Hall on Saturday 23/02.2013.

What caught my eye was wee willie was wearing a British Army Beret, I didn't know willie was ex RIR/UDR, or is it his late fathers Beret, Please don't get me wrong, I'm not rubbing it into willie if it is his late fathers Beret, seems willie like uniforms, I would suggest a Nurse Uniform, It would be more appropriate for a loner.

Wee Willie Frazer Is In The British Army?

Bookworm, I had to google to see what a shamballa...

2013-02-22T19:06:17.881Z

Bookworm,
I had to google to see what a shamballa bracelet was. lol. I aint into any faith, spirtuality, or witchcraft of any type. Pure scientific fact man. No shamballa bracelets, old school, the highlight of my jewellery would be a no logo, £10 quid watch. I see where you are coming from with that perception of the occupy movement, I spoke to one guy from a america when he came over here at a event last july and he was every inch of your perception. Young, 20 something, long blonde hair, tied in ponytail, handsome, thin, with bracelets on each arm. I asked him for a laugh was he a CIA plant because he looked the part. He looked bemused, either he didnt get the usual irish humor of "greeting someone with a friendly slag" or he was a plant,could have been for all I know. It is a popular image, for the young radical just like the 70's. Maybe he was a hacker looking for a Irish female cracker.lol. Frank Carson,Its the way I tell em.

James, fair dos. Can I assume that your not ment...

2013-02-22T17:44:26.690Z

James, fair dos.

Can I assume that your not mentioning the shambala bracelet is an admittance that you do?

If so, what colour is yours and where can I get one?

itsjustmacker, I agree with you assertion on the l...

2013-02-22T16:21:19.713Z

itsjustmacker,
I agree with you assertion on the last post. The protestant elite has the working class grass roots snookered on their identity. I read a good book called "hate" by Matthew Collins, charting his life from working class youth in the British the far right in this country, to eventually becoming a whistle blower and eventually to anti-fascist campaigner. Matthew Collins was a teenage member of the National Front in the 80's and 90's, and it basically explained to me the lure of working class british identity and the aspects of the far right. I see how this basically could be perceived as becoming mindset of working class loyalist youths, with the orange order, marching season, the 12th and helped my understanding of extreme loyalist ideology with imperialist mindset. There is also a reading on the links with the UDA in Ulster, I thought it was a good insight as how the working class can be manipulated with flags, symbols, emblems and perceived identity.
Belfastbook,
I aint that physically big. Mentally at times, yes. The occupy movement have it right in my opinion and there are women hackers, I am sure.

Frankie, I can't open your link for some reaso...

2013-02-22T09:27:48.910Z

Frankie, I can't open your link for some reason.

James isn't a hacker. He's a 6ft 2 body builder. Hackers are skinny wee guys with glasses and wear shambala bracelets. Everyone knows this.

There are no women hackers either.

Eamon Mc Cann reports on a very disturbing situati...

2013-02-22T01:07:09.762Z

Eamon Mc Cann reports on a very disturbing situation in

Derry, 2nd Para Flags flying next to the Britiash Union

Jack. An Insult to Bloody Sunday, and, Ballymurphy

2nd para flag flys next to British Union Flag in

Derry"

Bookworm... James. I am intrigued. I am actuall...

2013-02-22T00:03:39.193Z
Bookworm...
James. I am intrigued. I am actually wondering if you are a hacker? Are you part of 'Anonymous'?

If you are right about James being connected to Anonymous. Then it would make him a cracker not a hacker. Hackers are good people and without them the internet would be very different from what it is today.. The Difference Between a Hacker and a Cracker?

But as always the media have bastardised the word. In the same way as they label all dissident republicans as phyiscal force...(or they at least give that impression).

James: I haven't read the book, but I have do...

2013-02-21T21:43:46.409Z
James:

I haven't read the book, but I have done plenty of online research on O' Callaghan, He walked into a British Police Station and admitted to Murder, His on friends in London Disowned him. But we must all learn from those who took the queens shilling, that if a future conflict is started, those agents will be at the forefront of every ones mind, Lies, Lies, and More Lies, to make himself look big and important. My oldest daughter Bought me McGartlands Book, fifty dead men walking, with a complementary DVD of the movie, I ask her did she get it in a pound shop, But the main point I am trying to make about those people is, They are always discarded by the British to live a life of fear. For O' Callaghan to say that PIRA were Sectarian , I would disagree , but not on all killings of Protestants, some were uncalled for, some tit for tat. Both sides were infiltrated from the top echelon down to the Volunteer, but the Loyalist side had a huge advantage with the help of those agents and the RUC/RUC special branch, also, the FRU. My reading of those agents, especially from RUC special branch and FRU was to make sure that the Catholic and protestant working class could not unite, But, Paisley had already done that. I hope some day that we can all unite as a society of Peace working together for the generations of the future, to me, that is the only way forward. Because another conflict would be more bloodier that that from PIRA.

Former-IRA-commander- Sean O Callaghan, I read his...

2013-02-21T19:48:09.781Z
Former-IRA-commander- Sean O Callaghan, I read his book. He was not very complementary about belfast provisionals, claiming nothing short then sectarian bigots. He also claimed that the provisionals bastardised the republician movement especially from a sectarian point of view. Arguements and blaming on either side, provisionals claim they were sucked into sectarianism by the loyalists. Evidence and truth to support this. Jesus christ, they were bad times. Do you think it could happen again? Another thing about ocallaghan, I always question how a man could not only lead but maintain a double life like that,was it, guts, stupidity, thrill,maybe he thought it was never going to end. Christ I really do not know how they could. I know money maybe a issue, but to risk his own life, he must have been pretty "outhere" when if he was unhappy he could have just left. Maybe, he thought he couldnt leave unless he got set up by MI5.The whole conflict was knee deep in a british counter intelligence basis. They really did run the war.

Former-IRA-commander- Sean O Callaghan says-dissid...

2013-02-20T23:29:22.519Z
Former-IRA-commander- Sean O Callaghan says-dissidents-to-display-big-show-in-Britain-for-2016 Easter-Rising-Celebrations.

Former IRA Man Sean O Callaghan"

Anthony and as you have said yourself many a time ...

2013-02-20T22:08:21.719Z
Anthony and as you have said yourself many a time quisling $inn £ein now employ the very same tactics.

Robert, not in my view the most plausible of sour...

2013-02-20T21:26:53.591Z
Robert,

not in my view the most plausible of sources.

He also quoted a Stick as having claimed that Adams once told him during internment 'I'm prepared to wade up to my knees in Protestant blood to get to a United Ireland.' But I think that was an attempt to project the Sticks own non sectarian credentials vis a vis the supposed Provo lack of them as nobody else ever heard it and the Sticks were not beyond labelling and smearing.

Anthony,Marty, I now recall the source as Sean O&...

2013-02-20T20:57:32.719Z
Anthony,Marty,

I now recall the source as Sean O'Callaghan.
Your position on Adams makes what you say in this respect all the more persuasive.

Okay Frankie on the subject of ducks What has 200 ...

2013-02-20T16:07:25.350Z
Okay Frankie on the subject of ducks What has 200 balls and fucks them?
a 12 bore shotgun!