Comments on The Pensive Quill: Cardinal Sin

AM-

The dissos down my way would not like you saying that they have no bottle-lol- its like the walking dead at the momment- another one bitten to only turn into a zombie / sorry- disso-

Michaelhenry, that's great to know. There was...

2012-08-15T21:04:13.731+01:00

Michaelhenry,

that's great to know. There was me thinking there was no bottle at all down your way!!

AM- Fuck superstition blah blah Atheism [ no offe...

2012-08-15T20:58:58.778+01:00

AM-

Fuck superstition blah blah Atheism
[ no offence john ]
but where would you get a barrel of whiskey at, to buy- is that one of them new fangled things like Kindle- its bottle only whiskey down my way-

I think you are right John. That is a rip off pric...

2012-08-15T19:29:06.271+01:00

I think you are right John. That is a rip off price. Others for the same book are more reasonable

AM, 'I saw that. The first price I looked at ...

2012-08-15T19:23:53.680+01:00

AM,

'I saw that. The first price I looked at was a bit daunting - almost £300 the seller was looking!'

I think that is the price for those who come online drunk!

John, I saw that. The first price I looked at was...

2012-08-15T16:13:07.737+01:00

John,

I saw that. The first price I looked at was a bit daunting - almost £300 the seller was looking! For that I would want a barrel of whiskey. I bought the full collection of Anthony Trollope (that includes about 40 odd novels) on Kindle for about £3.

AM, 'it looks a promising read but seems to b...

2012-08-15T15:03:51.822+01:00

AM,

'it looks a promising read but seems to be out of print and unfortunately is not on Kindle.'

It is out of print, but still available from a number of 'sellers' via Amazon. Feser also has a couple of other books available as audio items.

John, it looks a promising read but seems to be ...

2012-08-15T14:45:03.830+01:00

John,

it looks a promising read but seems to be out of print and unfortunately is not on Kindle. That is the one frustrating thing about Kindle - it has the potential to put a halt to 'out of print' but for some reason has not downloaded a lot of otherwise inaccessible material onto its system.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Last-Superstition-Refutati...

2012-08-15T12:58:33.542+01:00

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Last-Superstition-Refutation-New-Atheism/dp/1587314525/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1345031821&sr=1-1

Is Ireland Abandoning Religion?

2012-08-15T11:46:53.444+01:00

Is Ireland Abandoning Religion?

The end of Catholic Ireland

2012-08-14T22:06:45.920+01:00

The end of Catholic Ireland

equality of treatment

2012-08-14T11:31:25.422+01:00

equality of treatment

"Catholicism is a cult pure & simple... O...

2012-08-14T11:05:58.048+01:00

"Catholicism is a cult pure & simple... One can not expect honesty and clean dealngs with any cult member espicially when the facts/reality are put in their face... It is frightening what a stronghold the cult has worldwide."

This is the real agenda of the kooky anti-Semite from Australia.

And if you hold on to your Faith, this is what you have in store:

"(From a link on SMH's Blog:)

"This Declaration is to advise the Catholic church and those who continue to follow and to support in any manner whatsoever shall be declared to be a moral danger to society and that furthermore they shall be justifiably publicly despised, vilified and publicly humiliated for howsoever long they continue to defend or support in any manner whatsoever.""

John, again, this seeks to evade the point. It wa...

2012-08-14T11:05:41.645+01:00

John,

again, this seeks to evade the point. It was never stated that he was anti-Jewish. It was stated that he viewed Jews as inferior. He has since said 'sorry' even if it was half hearted and done in a typical Churchy dishonset way.

As he bobbed and weaved to evade the implications of what he said the audience laughed at him. It was embarrassing for him.

But even if we allow for the very real possibility that he isn't a bad guy unlike some others who are undoubtedly evil (he and Brady I alluded to as being at the unwitting end of the spectrum while the other two would be sheer evil) we are left with the crux of the matter: he has no more authority than Rory McElroy to prescribe societal morality. he is merely in a position to offer the Church opinion on morality.

AM, ‘Watch the debate and you will see what Pell ...

2012-08-14T10:49:26.336+01:00

AM,

‘Watch the debate and you will see what Pell did say. We did link it in an earlier article.’
I have done. Here is a transcript:
“TONY JONES: George Pell, can I just come back to you on this question of the existence of God. Why would God randomly decide to provide proof of his existence to a small group of Jews 2,000 years ago and not subsequently provide any proof after that?
GEORGE PELL: Well, I don’t think there’s ever been any scientific proof. I don’t believe God does anything randomly, although he might set up he might set up a system which works, apparently through, you know, through chance, through random but if you want something done, you’ve got to ask somebody. It’s no good, say, my asking everyone in the congregation will you would do something. Normally you go to a busy person because you know they’ll do it and so for some extraordinary reason God chose the Jews. They weren’t intellectually the equal of either the Egyptians or the…
TONY JONES: Intellectually?
GEORGE PELL: Intellectually, morally…
TONY JONES: How can you know intellectually?
GEORGE PELL: Because you see the fruits of their civilisation. Egypt was the great power for thousands of years before Christianity. Persia was a great power, Caldia. The poor – the little Jewish people, they were originally shepherds. They were stuck. They’re still stuck between these great powers.
TONY JONES: But that’s not a reflection of your intellectual capacity, is it, whether or not you’re a shepherd?
GEORGE PELL: Well, no it’s not but it is a recognition it is a reflection of your intellectual development, be it like many, many people are very, very clever and not highly intellectual but my point is…
TONY JONES: I’m sorry, can I just interrupt? Are you including Jesus in that, who was obviously Jewish and was of that community?
GEORGE PELL: Exactly.
TONY JONES: So intellectually not up to it?
GEORGE PELL: Well, that’s a nice try, Tony. The people, in terms of sophistication, the psalms are remarkable. In terms of their buildings and that sort of thing, they don’t compare with the great powers. But Jesus came not as a philosopher to the elite. He came to the poor and the battlers and for some reason he choose a very difficult but actually they are now an intellectually elite because over the centuries they have been pushed out of every other form of work. They’re a – I mean Jesus, I think, is the greatest the son of God but, leaving that aside, the greatest man that ever live so I’ve got a great admiration for the Jews but we don’t need to exaggerate their contribution in their early days.”

To continue to state that Pell is being anti Jewish is plainly an untruth.

“Pell's remarks were widely misreported and misinterpreted, leading to a clarification from his office - reported by The Times of Israel as an apology. Pell said that "... my commitment to friendship with the Jewish community, and my esteem for the Jewish faith is a matter of public record, and the last thing I would want to do is give offense to either" and that the Holocaust was "a crime unique in history for the death and suffering it caused and its diabolical attempt to wipe out an entire people.” (Wikepedia).

Maybe it is these pro Jewish attitudes that provoke some Australian anti-Semites to attack him!

John, Watch the debate and you will see what Pel...

2012-08-14T09:23:59.466+01:00

John,

Watch the debate and you will see what Pell did say. We did link it in an earlier article. That he later apologised would lead most people, I guess, to feel that he did make the charge of intellectual inferiority and got pulled all over the place while being laughed at by the audience.

As for him allegedly abusing children I see nothing to suggest it is true. In fact until you raised it I knew nothing about it.

But the thrust of this piece is really that clerics are not fit for purpose to authoritatively prescribe societal morality. They have an opinion, are as fallible as the rest of us, and can only be part of a wider societal conversation rather than have a special privilege or right to dictate what form that conversation can take.

The Holy Post http://life.nationalpost.com/2012/0...

2012-08-14T08:18:34.973+01:00

The Holy Post

http://life.nationalpost.com/2012/08/13/i-saw-evil-and-corruption-popes-butler-says-he-leaked-papers-in-bid-to-get-church-back-on-track/