Comments on The Pensive Quill: The Culture of Getting Away With it

Actually lads there were preists in Star Treck, th...

2010-11-26T05:44:37.682Z

Actually lads there were preists in Star Treck, the Vulcan hand signal is representative of the Hebrew letter shin, the first letter in Shaddai (Nesiat Kapayim) - Solemn Blessing #10(Ordinary Time I) in the Roman Missal.
On Canon Law...
Extract from 'Light Of The World'-
Quote His Holiness,
“The Archbishop of Dublin told me something very interesting about that. He said that ecclesiastical penal law functioned until the late 1950s; admittedly, it was not perfect – there is much to criticise about it – but nevertheless it was applied. After the mid-sixties, however, it was simply not applied any more.
“The prevailing mentality was that the Church must not be a Church of laws but, rather a Church of love: she must not punish . . . This led to an odd darkening of the mind, even in very good people.”

The Culture of Getting Away With it. Michaelhenry...

2010-10-03T03:58:59.555+01:00

The Culture of Getting Away With it.

Michaelhenry

‘sex crimes by the catholic church in 175 ad, 2000 years on and its the
same story but still thousands went to see the pope last week,
in 2000 years time it will be the same story no matter how many
truth's are told.’

Something wrong there – why do you think that should be?

Nuala, I see they are protesting in Italy as wel...

2010-09-26T14:30:42.913+01:00

Nuala,

I see they are protesting in Italy as well about clerical abuse of children. As you say it is globally endemic.

Had the Pope thrown himself on the ground and begg...

2010-09-26T13:51:58.729+01:00

Had the Pope thrown himself on the ground and begged forgiveness on behalf of his church then just maybe, the people might have viewed him in a different light.

The scandal was endemic, globally very few parishes escaped the abuse.

Mc Guinness has forecast he will come here in 2012!
Notice he did not venture a visit, himself and Mr Robinson were other wise engaged?

Well Mickeyboy slowly but surely the message is ge...

2010-09-24T22:03:46.091+01:00

Well Mickeyboy slowly but surely the message is getting through,I cant see to many of these churches remaining in 100 years time,there was never any priests in Star Trek.but then again I,m not possessed with gift of future sight like those in the higher echelons of psf the bearded on can see as far as 2016, Martyboy he sees as far as 2012, Mickeyboy well he,s a bit like auld Adolf he,s seeing 1000,s of years ahead, just one thing Mickeyboy remember what happened to the fuhrer,

Con, a lot there to think about. Thanks for post...

2010-09-24T21:56:15.391+01:00

Con,

a lot there to think about. Thanks for posting it.

Marty,

would be surprised if you calculated it any other way!!

Michaelhenry,

That's the problem - they will turn up as long as we are afraid of the dark. Sad, given all the problems you have drawn attention to.

shake hands with the devil- once in never out, jes...

2010-09-24T21:21:26.702+01:00

shake hands with the devil- once in
never out, jesus cagney would get his eyes opened now a days- there
are more x members now than when the war was on,

AM-
sex crimes by the catholic church
in 175ad, 2000 years on and its the
same story but still thousands went to see the pope last week,
in 2000 years time it will be the same story no matter how many
truth's are told.

Excerpt from Auschwitz,The Nazis & The Final S...

2010-09-24T14:53:31.655+01:00

Excerpt from Auschwitz,The Nazis & The Final Solution, by Laurence Rees,..The matter was resolved in Berlin.The Slovak goverment agreed to pay the Germans 500 Reichsmarks for every Jew deported,on condition that they never came back to Slovakia and that no claim was made by the Germans on the property or other assets they had left behind.the Slovaks,whose head of state was a Catholic priest,(Josef Tiso)therefore paid the Germans to take their Jews away.end. At least Tiso got his just deserts at the end of a rope, its a pity a lot more of his fellow clergy werent facing the same end,

The pope is in an impossible situation and very mu...

2010-09-24T11:37:12.823+01:00

The pope is in an impossible situation and very much one of his and the church's own making.

The silent insistence behind such official church phrases such as 'forgiveness' and 'absolution' and the practical application of canon law are mere conversational references to the central catholic dogmatic idea that any sin can be forgiven.

In canon law a priest can commit the foulest crimes and as long as that priest then makes what the church regards as an act of contrition then the priest can be forgiven and as history shows can go off and commit the same crimes again.

There is a collision here between law as most people understand it and the catholic belief system.

All legal systems consider the danger to society when a criminal is up before a court. The canon law court system does not which is why the church's criminals appeared able to walk away from internal disciplinary 'hearings' and commit crimes again. The secular legal systems would imprison such people as an ongoing danger to the community.

The pope cannot submit to secular law as he would be admitting that catholic dogma is subservient to criminal law. This is impossible for any pope to admit as papal pronouncements on catholic dogma have been regarded by catholics as infallible since the middle of the 19th century.

It would be an admission that popes can make mistakes on dogma and this is quite literally anathema.

Until such time as secular authorities, (given the nature of the 'universal' catholic church, they would have to be some organisation such as the UN or Interpol) take the view that catholicism is a religious cult the same as any other and subject to justice for its actions, then the idea will still linger that the pope and the church are 'above' all that.

The catholic church and the pope are on a natural collision course with justice and there's no dogmatic way out which is why the Vatican has been clutching at ever dafter straws like a man sliding down a wet thatched roof in the effort to blame anything and everything among its traditional critics except its own hideously self-damaging canon law.

There is another worldwide issue approaching for the catholic church I feel and it may well be an international one like the abuse scandals across the world. At some point the secular international judicial systems are going to have to make the Vatican's mind up for it on the status of canon law- it ain't going to be pretty and to a certain extent events have overtaken the Vatican as it no longer can control the messaging about itself.

News on catholicism is now out of the Vatican's hands and it is a very damaging genie out of a very self-absorbed bottle.

9% is to low a figure Anthony I,d put it at 95% an...

2010-09-23T22:14:22.088+01:00

9% is to low a figure Anthony I,d put it at 95% and the other 4.95% liars