Comments on The Pensive Quill: No Royal Beacon On Cavehill – McArt’s Fort

Larry, as much as I disagree with armed campaigni...

2012-05-25T12:50:13.569+01:00

Larry,

as much as I disagree with armed campaigning I think you over egg the pudding in claiming all those arrested claim to be terminally ill. This is not borne out by the evidence. There is no medical reason that I am aware of that would stop us having concern about the health status of Marian Price or Brian Shivers.

Mackers totally agreed. I think from my experience...

2012-05-20T22:01:14.610+01:00

Mackers totally agreed. I think from my experience in Armagh many moons ago if yer caught red handed fair do's. When the RUC hit anyones door a year or in some cases 10yrs after an event its a stitch-up. No change there. What appears to be going on in Lurgan is a vendetta between the RUC/UVF there and the Duffy family. I mentioned Ned Kelly when Collie was released...may be more accurate than i realised.

I defend republicans right to procedure....but there's something missing with a group or groups that want to go back to basics then cry terminal illness almost to a 'volunteer' when arrested. Maybe its a result of innefectiveness on the war 'front'.?

Larry, I agree that things need rethought. We do ...

2012-05-20T17:58:32.504+01:00

Larry,

I agree that things need rethought. We do need to move on from 1798 and 1969 and 1981 without ever forgetting the wrongs done to us or the wrongs we did to others. Nor should we turn our backs on the abuses being dished out to republicans whose biggest difference from our day is a date. We can oppose their armed campaigns resolutely but that does not mean we have to put up with them being abused by the British state.

The idea of armed republicanism appeals to me not in the slightest. The notion of placing bombs under the cars of cops is abhorrent to me. I for the world of me fail to see what killing Ronan Kerr achieved. There is no war on. Cops therefore are not combatants. They have the same right not to be killed as the rest of us. Cops should be opponents who we oppose politically, not enemies who we kill.

SF will be singing it in Irish soon i think and cl...

2012-05-17T20:42:03.203+01:00

SF will be singing it in Irish soon i think and claiming that as a victory.

Larry, apparently those unionists had their work ...

2012-05-17T18:31:40.102+01:00

Larry,

apparently those unionists had their work cut out trying to persuade SF not to have the beacon at Cavehill. Hartley was caught practicing God Save The Queen!!

told you unionism has learned something.

2012-05-17T18:07:17.204+01:00

told you unionism has learned something.

Tiarna, On the question of denying that the IRA s...

2012-05-17T18:01:56.691+01:00

Tiarna,

On the question of denying that the IRA surrendered, the only one of them to have stated that decommissioning was IRA surrender was Morrison. The rest all pretended it was a great leap forward

Treehugger,

A good result for all of you who campaigned on the issue. I was surprised they folded as quickly.

Good result,bet that goes down like a shit sandwic...

2012-05-17T16:00:59.673+01:00

Good result,bet that goes down like a shit sandwich in certain quarters, now for the reaction,or lots of dosh dished to" community workers"

Folks Belfast city council have canceled the beaco...

2012-05-17T14:36:07.137+01:00

Folks Belfast city council have canceled the beacon at mcarts fort and are planning to light it at lagan weir now,well done to everyone who helped out with the campaign.Clearly lessons learned to what can be achieved when republicans sit down thrash things out and stand together.Full statement on facebook page(DEFEND CAVEHILL FROM ROYAL INSULT).
thanks for helping us highlight this mackers.

agreed thats my point SF are way off target. but a...

2012-05-17T10:31:59.621+01:00

agreed thats my point SF are way off target. but also mackers...perhaps its time for politics to mover on from 1798??

Larry ‘SF have realised the United Irishman dream...

2012-05-16T14:03:25.837+01:00

Larry

‘SF have realised the United Irishman dream of catholic protestant and dissenter, in a 6 county entity within the UK.’

But they haven’t. They have united none of them. All they do is manage division and have forged a strategic unity with the DUP in the two party state to marginalise the dissenter. Think Tone had something radically different in mind.

There will be 2012 of these beacons being lit on m...

2012-05-16T12:57:48.153+01:00

There will be 2012 of these beacons being lit on monday the 4th june across the "uk". in Ireland there will be a massive one being lit on top of sleive donard co.down and the other on top of cavehill(mcarts fort,birthplace of irish republicanism)at 10.15pm.All this will be co-orditaned by the British armed forces i.e marine society,sea cadets,air training corps,army cadets and combined armed forces.This show of British/royal truimphlism should be opposed by all irish republicans come june.Anyone interested in helping with the campaign to oppose this insult there is a leaflet drop tonight Wed 16th may,Meet @ dentist opposite Landsdown hotel, Antrim rd 7.00pm.

it will never end.

2012-05-16T09:25:30.744+01:00

it will never end.

Larry, again, your logic fails me how can you sta...

2012-05-14T19:12:31.772+01:00

Larry,

again, your logic fails me how can you state you are highlighting PSF, s interpretation of present day republicanism.

I see no explanation to back up what you say you are highlighting instead you digress and cram several unrelated issues into one short paragraph.
Your choice of petty and insignificant would be more in agreement with PSF’s position on the beacon.

Common sense would dictate there is no need for a royalist sectarian beacon under the guise of celebration.
The royal sectarian family discriminate by law the beacon has great significance for royalist loyalists I ponder would a beacon to the memory of the United Irishmen be as insignificant and petty definitely not.
It is an insult and a mockery of the peace accord. Tiarna makes a better calculation of what nationalists can expect.

Tiarna, these are Larry’s words and I would beg t...

2012-05-14T01:05:09.945+01:00

Tiarna,

these are Larry’s words and I would beg to differ.

"Think Wolf Tone + co. would be concerned about other things than some pantomime on cave hill."

Tain Bo "Think Wolf Tone + co. would be con...

2012-05-13T13:03:59.673+01:00

Tain Bo

"Think Wolf Tone + co. would be concerned about other things than some pantomime on cave hill."

I think you are right. However with denials of IRA surrender and Sinn Fein sellout with the GFA the mind boggles that Sinn Fein would agree to such a public humiliation in the land of Unionist Supremacy and coat trailing. A victory beacon of such spectacular historical significance is no small matter.

I can understand that many centenary celebrations are scheduled in these coming years and they may be tense. However, a victory beacon on Cavehill is no sign of mutual respect and perhaps more a sign of what nationalists can expect.

tain bo i was highlighting the SF notion of modern...

2012-05-13T09:18:27.516+01:00

tain bo
i was highlighting the SF notion of modern 'republicanism'.

its all pretty petty and insignificant in todays economic and political climate.

The TDs in the Dail have been there [most of em] since their youth. They've overseen countless economic crisis' and watched/forced mass emigration every other generation. How many times would a student flunk their exams before being booted out of school? These people are shameless. Now they are inviting the 'exiled' back home for a 'gathering'to throw money at the country they were forced to leave...? Not because the country of a mere 3 million has finally got things right, but just to have a party, inject cash and 'fuck off' back into exile where 'we' sent ye!!

Think Wolf Tone + co. would be concerned about other things than some pantomime on cave hill.

Could people please do want the leaflet says and l...

2012-05-13T03:08:07.486+01:00

Could people please do want the leaflet says and let as many people as possible know about this insult write letters to the press,help with the leaflets,attened any protest etc etc.The parties in city hall are trying to keep this as low key as possible until it is to late for us to do anything about it, we must stop this beacon being erected on the birthplace of republicanism by any means nessesarey.Please help by whatever way yous can and show the brits and there new found irish leckeys/slaves that the republican flame in Belfast is still burning strong......"if the men of property will not support us,they must fall.Our strength shall come from that great and respectable class, the men of no property."wolf tone.

just wonderin if the national flag will be placed ...

2012-05-12T21:37:04.998+01:00

just wonderin if the national flag will be placed on top (s.f) or is that the 12th of july.

Larry, “SF have realised the United Irishman drea...

2012-05-12T20:52:24.607+01:00

Larry,

“SF have realised the United Irishman dream of catholic protestant and dissenter, in a 6 county entity within the UK.”

Apart from the above making, no sense it is also as insulting as the proposed beacon. What logic brings you to that conclusion as the principle of the United Irishmen being a united Ireland free from the elitism that allows for such beacons of oppression to light up the night sky and remind us all we should be grateful to bow down and kiss the Queens arse.
Even though SF does not object, I would be confident that the United Irishmen would.

Anyone interested on more on the campaign to oppos...

2012-05-12T20:29:36.382+01:00

Anyone interested on more on the campaign to oppose this insult should check out our facebook page (defend cavehill from royal insult).

Well at least a stained glass window in the dome o...

2012-05-12T20:25:17.761+01:00

Well at least a stained glass window in the dome of delight then Anthony

Marty, don't be daft, The RIR only got that b...

2012-05-12T18:45:28.989+01:00

Marty,

don't be daft, The RIR only got that because they lost. The BB won the war so they don't need anything like that. Go figure!

2012-05-12T18:40:47.382+01:00

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Just seen on the news that the RIR have been given...

2012-05-12T18:33:06.172+01:00

Just seen on the news that the RIR have been given the freedom of Ballymoney,so in the interest of qsf,s equality agenda can we now expect to see the Belfast Brigade being given the freedom of Belfast, Gerry and Martyboy its over to you.