tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post2480043090128182808..comments2011-09-21T16:15:57.212+01:00AMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comBlogger84125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-10268690775521659042011-09-21T15:56:42.110+01:002011-09-21T15:56:42.110+01:00SMH hi hon good luck with your masterpiece hon mind you I,ve been struggling to see any carrots,and hon as everyone knows it aint real if it doesnt have carrots,you could set them in the eye socket of the skull to give a demon look .sort of the kind a drunken priest gives a child .martyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09814904389826171437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-3581407840197398672011-09-21T15:12:36.138+01:002011-09-21T15:12:36.138+01:00SMH,<br /><br />good job. I am now a follower of your blog. Didn&#39;t realise you had oneAMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-88473100274469995082011-09-21T15:04:21.481+01:002011-09-21T15:04:21.481+01:00Anthony, marty, fionnuala etc hi, There r little sample images of V.O.V. Vomit on the Vatican under construction i put up (just click on my name/should take u thru to latest entry on me blog) I am so busy no time to finish the monstrous cathartic outpouring! Hope to complete it next week in all it&#39;s vomitus, sans artistic merit glory. PS now then John McGirr that was not too bad on the eyeballs was it! it just be the truth in ones face... one voice but telling many individuals stories...Saint?MaryHedgehoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16562705541432632976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-50285783193179772392011-08-08T14:36:03.277+01:002011-08-08T14:36:03.277+01:00don&#39;t know much about legs, mine never grew!larry hugheshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09837849309156970989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-2487789969006696882011-08-08T11:53:21.862+01:002011-08-08T11:53:21.862+01:00Larry,<br /><br />have to fess up to sort of missing him but we can do little about it. It can be a school of hard knocks, we give and we take. Pointless shouting &#39;foul&#39; each time you feel the legs go from beneath you.AMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-62721887206221600012011-08-08T11:41:00.613+01:002011-08-08T11:41:00.613+01:00Think John just had a bad week or something. Maybe a lunar mood swing. He should dust himself down and return.<br /><br />People have been called &#39;toilets&#39; and warned to stay out of counties on this blog.<br /><br />It&#39;s only print. No one is getting hurt. It&#39;s a great forum for expressing alternative views to those &#39;permitted&#39; by the media and GFA, and for stirring the pot of debate.<br /><br />John spat his dummy out of the pram. When he gets it back he&#39;ll return.larry hugheshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09837849309156970989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-89266171642329967782011-08-08T10:15:58.845+01:002011-08-08T10:15:58.845+01:00Alfie,<br /><br />Smearing is what they do. The Scientology movement may have moved it up to a state of the art bracket but they all do it. Any system of thought that produces the category ‘heretic’ can only but do it. It is a fascistic ‘our teaching cannot be wrong’ mentality. And when you add infallibility into the mix then ...<br /><br />‘I do hope he reconsiders leaving the blog as I have learned a lot from discussing various issues with him.’<br /><br />It is his choice. It cannot be denied that we did learn from him although I am not sure he learned from us or wanted to. Religious minds are often closed minds. I think he flailed and faltered when he could not persuade us. But how could he convince us that men are infallible or that people rise from the dead? These things fly in the face of science and experience and therefore will need a lot more than assertion to overcome experientially grounded scepticism. He was free to argue his corner and no barriers were put in his way. If he can’t deal with the hard knocks then perhaps the best thing is to leave the school. <br /><br />Larry,<br /><br />I think money has to play a part in those get togethers. These girls may just be sex workers escorting these old cardinals!!<br /><br />Marty,<br /><br />a bishop might bugger us - die you heretic.AMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-43470353564972531682011-08-08T09:48:40.634+01:002011-08-08T09:48:40.634+01:00Yip Anthony their love is beating the love of Jesus into you just before they light the bbq with the likes of you or me on it,well that was their way in the good old days now they just bugger us to deathmartyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09814904389826171437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-52192354586260036512011-08-08T08:05:27.409+01:002011-08-08T08:05:27.409+01:00SMH,<br /><br />Entirely up to John McGirr what he does. He left of his own volition. He was not banned. He did say he would never leave and just after that he left. If he comes back he is free to do so. Same rules or lack or lack of them apply to all of us. This is not an atheist site but it operates with the secular ethos that people do not have a right not to be offended. He was given an absolutely uncensored voice even when he used it to smear and stretch accuracy. And if you recall he first came to this site demanding that his faith not be criticised. He was defending the CDF censorship of an Irish priest who happened to comment that gays were not the abomination that religion often depicted them as. He got free rein to express his views. I think in the end the more he had to stretch to defend or explain those views the more frustrated he became. At root he had difficulty tolerating people not sharing his religious opinion which came out when I was indifferent to PZ Myers action with the wafer. That he should concern himself with my indifference is one of the problems with religion – it cannot abide by not having its view accepted. It abhors being treated as just another opinion. And yet, there was so much we learned from him. He brought a quality to the blog which the recent plummet does nothing to detract from. <br /><br />‘I keep thinking about that poem, it fascinated me.’<br /><br />Bishop Hatto is a great poem. I am so glad you liked it.<br /><br />Marty,<br /><br />‘Get the feeling John will be back resurrected under the name Tomás de Torquemada inquisitor general.’<br /><br />His own choice. It is probably frustrating for many of them that they can’t burn their detractors at the stake or stretch them on the rack. And yet they tell us about their ‘love.’AMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-42277874768412206432011-08-07T04:19:53.193+01:002011-08-07T04:19:53.193+01:00@ John McGirr I think u r daft to leave and it is a pity you are but your call... It is the learning curve here and u give it out and you get it back THEN you have to learn to digest what u may consider indigestible Chew it over - what is real what is not... NB Being challenged pulls up stuff one can easily avoid looking at. I think u have been given uncensored voice (we all have) and such but suggest got too highly sensitised to the challenges u got back... All the best though John there was good craic here too in the discussions. I don&#39;t give a toss what individuals say re God for or against as I believe so strong on me own but i will always examine what they are saying... Fire back my thoughts/convictions if want to. That&#39;s all that is required... I think the rats are sharpening their fangs on the stones for the vatican honchos John. Let them! I hope they crunch the lot to bits In the next life revenge on the evil will be worse. Everything matters and God sees all. I keep thinking about that poem It fascinated me. Slan John McGirrSaint?MaryHedgehoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16562705541432632976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-12927252233455643992011-08-06T23:20:22.877+01:002011-08-06T23:20:22.877+01:00Anthony,<br /><br /><i>&quot;You have no need to bat for me. I am as indifferent as indifference can be to anything that John McGirr says.&quot;</i><br /><br />I appreciate what you are saying. Indeed, my beliefs are closer to yours than to John&#39;s on most things, but I like John and consider him a friend. Nevertheless, it bothered me that he chose to smear you, especially since he had been smeared in the same way by others on the Quill. I do hope he reconsiders leaving the blog as I have learned a lot from discussing various issues with him.Alfiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16403732604779381173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-91874568593022634402011-08-06T21:49:05.002+01:002011-08-06T21:49:05.002+01:00Bet them auld lions had indegestion for months or at least a bad dose of the shits, Get the feeling John will be back resurrected under the name Tomás de Torquemada inquisitor general,martyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09814904389826171437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-74528498881859203652011-08-06T21:11:22.062+01:002011-08-06T21:11:22.062+01:00Larry,<br /><br />they crucified the last ChristianAMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-31830363955070630282011-08-06T20:51:28.195+01:002011-08-06T20:51:28.195+01:00Don&#39;t understand the clergy going through all that education, philosophy, religion etc and put it to use in the protection of child rapists. Using it to excuse the &#39;blind eye&#39; of a massive wealthy empire. Actually not only a blind eye, but active protection and facilitation.<br /><br />Anyone who can&#39;t see that is a stranger to the truth. What a total waste of an education. Sacrelidge.<br /><br />All those old men with all that &#39;learnedness&#39; and pure interests and EVIL prevails. There is no christianity in the Vatican, only criminals.larry hugheshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09837849309156970989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-41005359178130548682011-08-06T20:23:40.492+01:002011-08-06T20:23:40.492+01:00Blah, blah, blah, zzzzzAMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-17098964984995346552011-08-06T20:03:11.218+01:002011-08-06T20:03:11.218+01:00Farewell to the Quill,<br /><br />It was when you decided that it is good to thrust nails through the Eucharist that I lost all respect for you. Your angry ranting atheism seems modelled on the fundamentalism that you claim to oppose. As Paul Kurtz, (a prominent atheist), says: ‘Angry atheism does not work.’ His wish was for ‘this dogmatic attitude (which) holds that this and only this is true and that anyone who deviates from it is a fool’ only belittles your case.<br /><br />Your atheism is just too vicious and uncaring. Whatever the faults of religion in Ireland or elsewhere, your hatred is beyond the limits of decency. <br /><br />You speak of logic. I suggest you could learn from St Thomas Aquinas. He took the strongest arguments that his opponents could muster, formulated as well as they could be and then dealt with them one by one to arrive at truth. <br /><br />You make caricatures of your opponents, build straw men, and burn them over and over, a repetition of atheist hatred that consumes you obsessively and in the end is just nauseating.<br /><br />Slán.John McGirrhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04406483272037255062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-33557176415709938762011-08-06T18:39:09.288+01:002011-08-06T18:39:09.288+01:00Alfie the only thing the church is liberal with is vaseline.martyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09814904389826171437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-21019284825934895302011-08-06T17:49:37.604+01:002011-08-06T17:49:37.604+01:00Bishops of Baal<br /><br />Alfie <br /><br />I don’t think you are the arch hypocrite. I think what you do is wrestle with the issues in their complexity and tread the tensions that they throw up. These things are rarely straightforward. What attitude do we hold towards a man who has sex with a person one day short of their birthday that would bring them over the consent barrier? It would be hard to get all high and mighty and not get anything towards the man who did it on the actual birthday. All we could genuinely do is adopt a legalistic posture but hardly an ethical one. <br /><br />You have no need to bat for me. I am as indifferent as indifference can be to anything that John McGirr says. His ideas are so far removed from what is logical that they fail to register any interest one way or the other. I chuckle at the squirming but only in passing. Which is a pity because I used to enjoy his input. But once someone tells you that sticking nails in wafers is the worst crime imaginable, the dimmer switch goes on until they fade from view whether they are there or not. We check his stuff for libel (like everybody else’s) and move on to whoever is next in line. <br /><br />‘ She is reluctant, but she has been reared to believe that a priest would never commit a sin, so she agrees. I would argue that she is a victim of abuse and<br />that the priest ought to be prosecuted. The same goes for a teacher, a doctor or a police officer who abuses his position in a similar manner.’<br /><br />On top of that we must ask if there is any other institution raping and covering up on a global scale – World Health Organisation, Interpol, Council for Global Education. If there is then is should be brought to book.AMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-92141762602660858872011-08-06T17:24:50.798+01:002011-08-06T17:24:50.798+01:00Alfie,<br /><br />I don’t buy into the perspective that the Church has been taken over by liberals. I would say that since 1978 it has been heavily conservative. But conservative in the sense of not being overly eager to be seen standing with the likes of Franco et al as they did prior to Vatican 2. There was an interesting defence of Ratzinger a week or two ago in the Irish Times in which it was stated that he marched to the beat of a different drum from democratic society because he regarded himself as leader of a very strict orthodox faith. I am going on memory and may have represented it somewhat as I don’t have the piece at hand. But I think that is close enough to it. <br /><br />‘‘ they had plenty to say against the divorce and abortion referendums<br />of the 80s and 90s. And let&#39;s not forget their opposition to the<br />legalisation of contraception in the 1970s or their recent salvos<br />against civil partnership.’<br /><br />I think that sums up how reactionary rather than liberal they really are. <br /><br />‘I certainly don&#39;t pursue younger and younger girls. I imagine that<br />that is the same for most straight men.’<br /><br />I agree. The opposite is true I imagine for only a minority of people either gay or straight. <br /><br />None of this remotely resembles the problem identified by the Cloyne report as ‘extensive clerical predation.’ Where there is any other form of extensive predation it must be dealt with. If gay groups are targeting people outside the consent bracket they must face the full rigour of society’s sanctions. What would be the point in halting the Church rape cartel only to give a licence to another rape cartel?AMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-68596505916304767142011-08-06T15:21:33.635+01:002011-08-06T15:21:33.635+01:00I,ve just adopted a black kid, I,ve called him Google,might as well ,the poor fucker is going to spend the rest of his life getting searched....every night I crush a pill for my nan and put it in her food, she doesnt like taking tablets bless her and it feels a bit sneaky,but I,d never forgive myself if I got her pregant...what do we want?..a cure for touretts...when do we want it?...fucker.....I fancied a takeaway last night,so I phoned Kings China Buffet.the guy answered and said &quot;herro I,m Wan King the cook&quot; I said &quot;no worries mate,wash yer hands and I,ll call back later&quot;...The 100m final at the 2012 olympics will be just like anyother Friday night in London,you,ll hear a gunshot followed by 8 blackmen legging it...bloke has a parrot but gets sick of it saying &quot;I,m from Poleglass and I,m hard as fuck&quot;so he puts an eagle in its cage,next morning he finds the eagle dead,and the parrot says&quot; I,m from Poleglass and I,m hard as fuck&quot;so the bloke puts a fighting cock in the cage,next morning he finds the cock dead and the parrot with no feathers,as he looks in the cage the parrot says&quot;had to take me coat of for that fucker&quot;..martyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09814904389826171437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-79631670511891739092011-08-06T10:50:30.135+01:002011-08-06T10:50:30.135+01:00Alfie<br /><br />I&#39;m afraid to close my eyes during sex for fear of seeing mackers...<br />urgh!!! trauma. Imagine him in a dog collar.larry hugheshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09837849309156970989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-38455087651651275912011-08-05T21:20:40.622+01:002011-08-05T21:20:40.622+01:00Larry,<br /><br /><i>&quot;sleazy oul fellas targetting very young sex partners is dirty. But its not rape, just dirty, or kinky if you&#39;re mackers, depends on your standpoint.&quot;</i><br /><br />Genius!<br /><br /><i>&quot;A very old woman came on to me recently, I was quite intimidated. The careworker put her to bed and saved me!&quot;</i><br /><br />Given my atrocious success rate with the ladies, I may well have been tempted in that situation. Just close yours eyes and think of Natalie Portman!!!Alfiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16403732604779381173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-77112525734612669072011-08-05T21:19:02.278+01:002011-08-05T21:19:02.278+01:00Alfie<br /><br />I don&#39;t condone either.larry hugheshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09837849309156970989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-32197391752855515222011-08-05T21:09:56.313+01:002011-08-05T21:09:56.313+01:00John,<br /><br /><i>&quot;In the light of what I quoted from him I don’t think my post (based on an implication derived from a hypothetical) was unreasonable...&quot;</i><br /><br />I think this is the exchange to which you are referring:<br /><br /><b>Larry:</b> <i>&quot;just something dirty and sordid about elderly men screwing teenage boys.&quot;</i><br /><br /><b>AM:</b> <i>&quot;Any more so than them screwing teenage girls?&quot;</i><br /><br />To me, Anthony is condoning neither; he is just saying that neither one is more &quot;dirty and sordid&quot; than the other. I agree with him.Alfiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16403732604779381173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-21310836501721004132011-08-05T20:55:50.461+01:002011-08-05T20:55:50.461+01:00John<br /><br />an awful lot of clergy are guilty of doing nothing when it was an open secret in parishes which priests were raping helpless kiddies.<br /><br />The fact the RC church is refusing to alter its attitude and response to these clerical rapists in any meaningful or sincere way, even today, is just downright sick+evil.<br /><br />sleazy oul fellas targetting very young sex partners is dirty. But its not rape, just dirty, or kinky if you&#39;re mackers, depends on your standpoint.<br /><br />A very old woman came on to me recently, I was quite intimidated. The careworker put her to bed and saved me!larry hugheshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09837849309156970989noreply@blogger.com