Comments on The Pensive Quill: Who is McGuinness to talk of treachery?

Balor, I am only too well aware of the lies and th...

2009-03-27T21:16:00.000Z

Balor, I am only too well aware of the lies and the intimidation. I don’t believe any of it invalidates what I had to say in relation to your comment

Aoife, something not open to discussion seems fasc...

2009-03-27T21:10:00.000Z

Aoife, something not open to discussion seems fascistic to me

The McGuinness Quote details are:
Bodenstown, J...

2009-03-23T19:24:00.000Z

The McGuinness Quote details are:
Bodenstown, June 26 1986 (AP/RN)

Here's a few more eye openers
"The IRA Needs no political mandate,it derives its mandate from the presence of the British in the six counties"
Gerry Adams 1986
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"There can be no such things as an Irish nationalist accepting the loyalist veto and partition. You cannot claim to be an Irish nationalist if you consent to an internal six county settlement and if you are willing to negotiate the state of Irish society with a foreign government."

- Gerry Adams, November 22 1984 (AP/RN)

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"No Irish nationalist could support any treaty which institutionalizes British government claims to a part of Irish national territory. Indeed, the term - 'constitutional nationalism'- used by Mr.Mallon (SDLP) and his colleagues to describe their political philosophy is a contradiction in terms. The only constitutional nationalist in Ireland today is Sean McBride. He puts his nationalism within a framework of Irish constitutionality. Mr. Mallon, however, puts his within the framework of British constitutionality. Irish nationalism within British constitutionality is a contradiction in terms."

- Gerry Adams, 1986
("The Politics of Irish Freedom", Gerry Adams, Brandon Book Publishers, Ltd., Dingle, County Kerry, Ireland 1986, page 112, lines 26-35. NOTE: REMOVED FROM 1995 and 1996 EDITIONS).

"Armed struggle is a necessary and morally correct form of resistance in the six counties against a government whose presence is rejected by the vast majority of the Irish people".

"There is those who tells us that the British Government will not be removed by armed struggle. As has been said before, the history of Ireland and of British colonial involvement throughout the world tells us that they will not be moved by anything else".

- Gerry Adams, 1986 (1986 Ard Fheis, AP/RN)

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"Republicans are prepared to work an executive. We are really prepared to administer British rule in Ireland for the foreseeable future. The very principle of partition is accepted, and if the Unionists had had that in the 1920s they would have been laughing."

- Francie Molloy, Provisional Sinn Fein, March 28 1999 (London Sunday Times)

Is it possible to put a time and place on that quo...

2009-03-23T13:40:00.000Z

Is it possible to put a time and place on that quote from McGuinness? I think its amazing the change in the P.S.F. leaderships political direction these days and while I know we are all allowed to change opinions as we develop the change in P.S.F. direction has been the cause of major tremors within Republican grass roots.I also remember Mackers being critisised for "not allowing people to change" as he used to hang various leaders on their past words but I can see where Mackers was coming from as it wasnt just about people changing it was more fundamental than that as he was talking about a leadership trying to rewrite the republican tradition into their own version and yet it was their first preachings that got people killed and in turn directed Republicans to kill which is why today so many republicans are badly messed up in their heads! I can mind reading something Brendan Hughes said about how Mackers and Tommy Gorman had shown great moral courage at a time most of us were afraid to and I have to acknowledge that as well and I hope Mackers keeps on provoking us to think and debate on issues that affect us all...keep up the good work Mackers!

Aye but I'm right and they're wrong ;o)

I h...

2009-03-18T21:04:00.000Z

Aye but I'm right and they're wrong ;o)

I have no regard for mcguinness as a man or a politican, to me he makes gilmour look like an altar boy.

This is a man who couldn't be honest with his own followers, never mind the public, he couldn't even come clean over bloody sunday.

And of course it is a two way street, we will have very different outlooks, I can only balance their position against what was sold as true by them and what I know in my heart to be true, the struggle was about freedom not parity of esteem within a british parliament. So in terms of national freedom what has changed, nothing is the answer, indeed the gfa is anti republican!

Your quote from a Sinn fein supporter is nothing less than can be expected after all if, as you did, attempt to think outside of the box you get pushed out. Milgrams 37 comes to mind!

When you take it step further and make political headway against the provos what happens? do you end up under house arrest like Gerry McGeough on charges over 2 decades old. Or have your wife daughters and son maced then beaten in your own living as you get beaten to a pulp like Michael Donnelly one of the hooded men who suffered severe brutality as an internee at the hands of the british, only to suffer brutal treatment at the hands of the provisional movement under the control of guess who! AM, your good self also had to face those right thinking individuals in Sinn Fein when they picketed your home.

I leave you with a wee quote from the man of the moment himself, and how he can justify his current stance and his comments about republicans after uttering these words is beyond belief.

"British rule depends upon repression and collaboration and the Irish people should recognise that those who collaborate with Britain in exchange for a slice of the cake will implement British policy and remain silent when Irish people are murdered and oppressed. It is they who are responsible for prolonging the war in Ireland. Without the quislings, without the collaborators, we would already have reached freedom."

Balor, if your comment about McGuinness that ‘If h...

2009-03-18T19:56:00.000Z

Balor, if your comment about McGuinness that ‘If he was on fire I wouldn't cross the road to put him out, I'd be in the shop buying a bag of sugar to help the flames’ – if that was said by SF about yourself you might have grounds for thinking it was hate crime. I will cite in full the comment from someone who supports SF on an earlier thread:

‘As an Irish Republican who has been active for over twenty years and who now supports the Sinn Fein leadership, I find it incredible how some people are aghast at Martin's traitor comments. The interesting thing is that for 25 and decreasing in years depending on when you departed the movement these same people have been calling Martin and the likes of me traitors, sell outs, cowards and even scum. I just think people believe that they have the right to say and do what they like but we are supposed to just take it.’

Your comment confirms his/her contention that it is a two way street.

I think I forgot to add a url on my comment.If you...

2009-03-18T16:46:00.000Z

I think I forgot to add a url on my comment.If you decide to post my comment can you please add:
http://www.puertoricanidentity.com

thanks again.
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A country's right to unconditional independenc...

2009-03-18T16:42:00.000Z

A country's right to unconditional independence is not open to discussion, but if it is discussed, bullets will be the language exchanged... We must use the same language [of the occupier] to be understood..."
—Pedro Albizu Campos
The Fenian of Latin America

I have quoted from a compatriot who gave years of his life for Eire after the Rising in 1916. And if I may be so bold, I'm compelled to say you underestimate the formidable power of your own tradition of physical force, as well as the empowering motivation of believing that so long as there is a foreign presence in one's land the occupied feel justified in bearing arms. It is--fortunately or unfortunately depending on your views--a very human sentiment, tried & true through the histories of a multitude of nations, right up to present day nations like Palestine & Puerto Rico.

If it turns out that Eire again will follow the same human inclinations other people's have followed, what can you advise? To all those who look to Eire for the inspiration provided by the very traditions you once preached what can you say to dissuade them?

Thank you so much for permitting me to opine.

Tiocfaidh ár lá.

As someone who when very much younger would've had...

2009-03-17T21:40:00.000Z

As someone who when very much younger would've had mcguinness in and out of my parents,for safety and security reasons I didn't even know him as martin it was different name we were told.

I feel the sense of frustration people have about this hypocrite. If he was on fire I wouldn't cross the road to put him out, I'd be in the shop buying a bag of sugar to help the flames.

I know that we have differences of opinion on the merits of armed struggle. But is it more that armed struggle as a tool was effective and that it was the leadership was that let us down, the rank and file were lied to hoodwinked spun half truths the most stage managed nonsense that I have ever witnesses.

The sell out of the republican struggle has been carried out by those who now in their own warped way would portray those who never deviated from their beliefs as traitors. As Sean Keenan a true Derry republican legend once said follow the movement not the man because the man will let you down, and Sean's words ring true more so now than ever.