Comments on The Pensive Quill: Fibber Magee

SMH, There is no doubt Sinead took them on in cha...

2011-07-29T12:11:57.742+01:00

SMH,

There is no doubt Sinead took them on in challenging circumstances. But she is a woman and that is certain to have enraged them even more in the men’s club. I have long wondered why god discriminates against women. The answer I come up with is that men rather than women made god. If you compare her courage to Bishop Magee’s there is a chasm that the blind alone cannot see.

‘She finds comfort in Rastafari beliefs.’

Up to her what gets her through the night. Some find comfort in believing in transubstantiation. As long as none of them practice their beliefs on the rest of us.

Alfie, Anthony, ‘I do consider some of John'...

2011-07-27T16:34:26.891+01:00

Alfie,

Anthony,

‘I do consider some of John's beliefs a bit nutty, but I don't think he is a nutter.’

Quite. I am sure he is every bit as sane as Sinead O’Connor.

‘I'm not a big fan of David Quinn's at all. Nevertheless, he at least attempted to make an argument; O'Connor merely gloated and ranted.’

I think it was Sinead O’Connor who made the argument – for a new church if the leadership of the current one does not move out. Quinn’s argument was little other than a rearguard action aimed at muddying the waters and giving the Vatican time. Then the veiled threat at the end of it.

SMH,

So you liked the title! It was a last minute flash! You must drive them to despair with your take on it all. I am sure you have noticed that they take it particularly bad when a woman scorns them. The MEN of god cannot be ridiculed by a lowly woman! They are not even worthy of the priesthood – which any self respecting woman should be glad to know.

Larry, 'John doesn't see any RC heirarchy...

2011-07-27T15:56:19.735+01:00

Larry,

'John doesn't see any RC heirarchy problems, he's too focused on crying statues, gable walls and tree stumps.'

Of course I see the problems, but as with the Republican movement I don't think the failings of the hierarchy negate the Catholic Church anymore than Adams and McGuineess' treachery negate Republicanism.

A fairly basic distinction which seems beyond the grasp of the bandwagon of Catholic haters.

Sain?MaryHegehog,

'So less judgement and more appreciation for what she HAS done may well be the go. ....... Live and let live I note u said nought re Fibber Magee that poxy little weasel.'

So I should not judge Sinead but I should judge Magee?

For the record I do not now and have not for more than thirty years had anything to do with the modern Catholic hierarchy. The bulk of the abuse has occurred since the Second Vatican Council when 90% of Catholic belief and practice was thrown out.

Those abusing do not represent the Catholic religion, but rather the rejection of the Catholic religion. To this extent they are non-Catholics.

‘Is it fair to ask if the Church is just one big v...

2011-07-27T13:01:57.467+01:00

‘Is it fair to ask if the Church is just one big vile international paedophile ring?’

In a multi dimensional ensemble that is one of its dimensions. Its staff rape globally, the cover up is global, there has long been a policy of trafficking paedophiles across international frontiers where they would continue with their abuse; there has also been a global policy of not cooperating with civil law. Professor Tom Doyle who is Dominican with a doctorate in canon law has referred to it as ‘a critical problem that plagues many countries.’ So the Church is culpable and if the cap fits it can wear it. This is why the case is being made to charge the German with crimes against humanity. He has command and control responsibility for his men and has not taken the actions required to protect people from their crimes. This is why there is growing view of the Vatican as an enabler of child rape. It does not mean it willed it or approved it but that its behaviour, monitoring and accountability procedures were such that they enabled rape to take place.

maryhedgehog John doesn't see any RC heirarch...

2011-07-27T11:50:38.705+01:00

maryhedgehog

John doesn't see any RC heirarchy problems, he's too focused on crying statues, gable walls and tree stumps.

@ John McGirr The so called lunatic was one of the...

2011-07-27T11:06:49.766+01:00

@ John McGirr The so called lunatic was one of the most bravest woman to take on the Vatican in public mode using her fame/singer status... It earnt her worldwide disdain... Whilst definitely Sinead has left of centre leanings and can come across as off the air - she is a brave, upfront woman.

Whilst she ID's publicly as a survior of non clergy abuse she has consistently used her fame to give voice to & highlight clergy abuse atrocities/coverups in a climate of denial.
EVER cross your mind - what the hell were you doing?? What the hell were millions of Catholics doing? Nought is the answer. Sat on your pontificating drowning in religiosity arses and put them blinkers on...

Sinead is bi-polar and on meds - disclosed some years ago to media. Attributes this significantly serious mental health disorder to the years of childhood abuse (she is correct that abuse stuffs the brain up - proven scientifically) So before dissing her voice know that for an Irish woman she stood alone and shouted the truth.

I have respect for her but find her at times hopelessly tangled up in spiritual experimental stuff. She finds comfort in Rastafari beliefs. Love her music/voice mind. So less judgement and more appreciation for what she HAS done may well be the go. PS John you have your religosity trip ahappening in here at times in a big way too... Live and let live I note u said nought re Fibber Magee that poxy little weasel.

Anthony, "It is always hilarious to watch...

2011-07-26T20:12:46.746+01:00
Anthony,

"It is always hilarious to watch one religious devotee call another a nutter. But that's religion!"

The same thought occurred to me. I do consider some of John's beliefs a bit nutty, but I don't think he is a nutter.

"I think it takes it out of the realm of the 'experts.'"

I take your point, but I detected the same smugness in Sinead O'Connor's piece as I did in the pro-Vatican pieces from the other side. Perhaps that was just because Sinead was writing in the Sindo!

"I would much prefer your non expert view on Africa in the papers than Kevin Myers' expert opinion and analysis."

Thanks for the compliment, but switching me with Myers would just be replacing one gobshite with another! Seriously though, is Myers really an expert on anything? (I concede that he writes beautifully.)

"I found her take much less irritating and more credible than David Quinn's. I am more a fan of her music than her political opinions however."

I'm not a big fan of David Quinn's at all. Nevertheless, he at least attempted to make an argument; O'Connor merely gloated and ranted.

Alfie, it is always hilarious to watch one relig...

2011-07-26T17:59:02.475+01:00
Alfie,

it is always hilarious to watch one religious devotee call another a nutter. But that's religion!

'I find it somewhat irritating that a notorious gobshite like Sinead O'Connor gets to pontificate in Sunday newspapers every time a new report about clerical sexual abuse is released.'

I think it takes it out of the realm of the 'experts.' I would much prefer your non expert view on Africa in the papers than Kevin Myers' expert opinion and analysis.

And if she is a priestess or white witch that would allow her as much right as any priest. One's voodoo is as germane, or not, as the next

I found her take much less irritating and more credible than David Quinn's. I am more a fan of her music than her political opinions however.

While I would not go as far as John McGirr and cal...

2011-07-26T15:37:41.800+01:00
While I would not go as far as John McGirr and call her a lunatic, I find it somewhat irritating that a notorious gobshite like Sinead O'Connor gets to pontificate in Sunday newspapers every time a new report about clerical sexual abuse is released. It is just like Bono and Africa (though he is far more annoying). Since when did rock stars become experts on anything other than writing songs and snorting cocaine?

Any article starting out with a quotation from the...

2011-07-26T12:36:02.959+01:00
Any article starting out with a quotation from the notorious lunatic priestess Sinead O'Connor cannot be taken seriously.

A song all about Fibber Magee lolol I have long lo...

2011-07-26T09:50:01.363+01:00
A song all about Fibber Magee lolol I have long loved this song and now it be coming true!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIQ3UpORjHE

lolz Anthony u r icing them! Fibber Magee title cr...

2011-07-26T09:45:52.186+01:00
lolz Anthony u r icing them! Fibber Magee title cracked me up. Maybe i am getting delirious with relief/delight the bastards are being exposed and confronted right left and centre. Nowhere left for them to hide and their old skool rhetoric has finally failed 'em. Yay...

Is it fair to ask if the Church is just one big vi...

2011-07-26T03:24:20.039+01:00
Is it fair to ask if the Church is just one big vile international pedophile ring? Yes they may operate hospitals, clinics and orphanages but it sure seems like they do more harm than good. Sad that many decent naive Catholics this past Sunday gave them more of their hard earned money. Where it ends up going is anyone's guess.

Yeah Anthony and all because they lost their way -...

2011-07-25T23:45:00.560+01:00
Yeah Anthony and all because they lost their way --from the Pope down.
T.

Tiarna, he would only be following his cardinal ...

2011-07-25T22:56:14.467+01:00
Tiarna,

he would only be following his cardinal Shut Them Up Sean

Anthony One can just imagine Magee's perempt...

2011-07-25T21:35:33.923+01:00
Anthony

One can just imagine Magee's peremptory response to your pertinent blogg. I am sure something reminiscent of the reply to the young narrator in Ring Lardner's novel The Young Immigrants who asked her father tenderly whether he was lost on the journey to their new home. “‘Shut up’, he explained.”

Tiarna