Comments on The Pensive Quill: New US Envoy On NI’s Past Means Boston College Cas...

Marty I understand the little bet, I don't und...

2013-07-12T21:10:57.186+01:00

Marty I understand the little bet, I don't understand the relevance to it here.

Frankie you also failed to mention that little bet...

2013-07-12T17:47:04.748+01:00

Frankie you also failed to mention that little bet a cara

I failed to mention all the state forces who are g...

2013-07-12T14:40:06.530+01:00

I failed to mention all the state forces who are guilty of murder among other things..

For a T&R process to take place, the gui...

2013-07-12T13:26:28.683+01:00
For a T&R process to take place, the guilty party in the conflict must have been defeated.

That's the burning question Mick. Who exactly was the guilty party?

Fair enough the provisional's were defeated to a large extent and guilty of murder. Loyalist paramilitaries were guilty murder, the British gov. the same, Irish gov guilty of doing nothing.....

Who is/was the guilty party? For a T&R process to work, it's very simple. Everyone tells the truth. It's as uncomplicated as that. Will people be prepared to tell the truth?? That's a whole different ball park.

No one will ever know the truth, The British will ...

2013-07-11T21:25:00.610+01:00
No one will ever know the truth, The British will make sure of that.

The only decent thing Hass could do , is, Pressure the british to Implement para 20 of the weston park accord

I also don't think Adams has anything to worry about regarding the tape ruc/psni has obtained from BC.

Pressure on Adams grows as secret tapes handed to police

Organised Rage, I think this is right. The defeat...

2013-07-11T19:12:30.260+01:00
Organised Rage,

I think this is right. The defeat of the IRA meant that the British state were always going to be in the driving seat. The defeated could only hope to rely on goodwill rather than on political constraint as they did not have the necessary power (or squandered what they did have in career building) to change the game and build in constraints.

Also truth should not be linked to reconciliation. It means the imperative of reconciliation will determine the nature or amount of the truth. There is no solid reason to think truth will reconcile any more than it will repel. What was learned throughout the peace process was that truth was something best considered parked to allow institutional reconciliation.

Besides truth in the North is used for recrimination rather than reconciliation.

For a T&R process to take place, the guilty pa...

2013-07-11T18:30:11.137+01:00
For a T&R process to take place, the guilty party in the conflict must have been defeated. Even then, as we have seen in South Africa it does not take them long to get their feet back under the table, all be it wearing a different style of shoes.

One only has to glance at a current map of the UK to understand who won the Provo's war, this is not a criticism just a fact. However to believe Perfidious Albion would then act in a fair and honourable way is to ignore 800 years of Irish history.

Richard Hass may have many fine qualities, but as a diplomat of the empire, an honest broker he is not.

Robert Menendez voices strong opposition to IRA Boston College tapes handover

Adams again insists he had no involvement in killing of Jean McConville

What chances Marty has Hass or anyone else finding...

2013-07-11T16:42:13.926+01:00
What chances Marty has Hass or anyone else finding out the truth...Zero.

Historians, investigative journalists, thirty year rule probably. But a real T & R process where people hold their hands up and admit their part..I'll put it this way.....Anyone who thinks it (T&R) will happen is living in cloud cookoo land.

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Dolours Price tape handed over to police

What chance has Hass or anyonelse here at uncoveri...

2013-07-11T07:37:04.741+01:00
What chance has Hass or anyonelse here at uncovering the truth when prominent players in the whole dirty episode called the troubles are still lying to this day about the part they played, Adams and the brits alongside the leaders of unionism all have to much to hide,all brothers in arms on this one I,m afraid, Richard Hass is going to be nothing more than an expensive beaten docket.

Release of Boston College tapes could threaten Northern Irish peace - US senator

Dealing with the past before it deals with us

Where is the big idea to deal with a troubled past?

Gerry Adams: I played no part in the abduction and killing of Jean McConville