Comments on The Pensive Quill: End the Torture of Marian Price

Boyne Rover, I understood your original position ...

2011-12-19T19:22:55.246Z

Boyne Rover,

I understood your original position on the article and stated that I thought it was well thought-out and reasonable not to mention sympathetic.

I appreciate your input on the subject and that TPQ affords us the ordinary people to have a say regardless if we agree or disagree the discussions and opinions are usually amicable.

I am unsure now after watching the footage of her “intent” is she guilty of poor judgment or of merely holding a confusing statement up in order for the nervous orator to read it, as clearly, if he was holding it his hands might not have been so steady.

Her unusual confinement and punishment only serves to promote more distrust in British law.
I do not understand why the Brits decided that her interment was a necessary move. If she were out on bail, the issue would have not become controversial.

Clearly holding up the statement is the catalyst a very weak charge but the State has already displayed it has more sinister intention.

Unfortunately, the only person that could answer your questions is held in a form of incommunicado and for her alleged crime, as she has not been proven guilty of anything yet should make people at least question why she is being interned.

And he,s connected to Ciaran who,s connected to mi...

2011-12-16T22:59:07.713Z

And he,s connected to Ciaran who,s connected to mi5 agent ex qsf big (well nearly) wig Dennis Donaldson,funny how their all connected dont ya think ..

Nuala I caught that on after I posted ,but he,s s...

2011-12-16T22:54:44.060Z

Nuala I caught that on after I posted ,but he,s still a gobshite,and Nolan ripped him to bits.

Boyne Rover a cara one thing that can be said for ...

2011-12-16T22:52:04.537Z

Boyne Rover a cara one thing that can be said for republicans is that the penny does eventually drop so to speak, I dont believe any republican would put the same trust in a clique or individual as we have in the past.the focus imo should not be on what Marian did or didnt do rather it should be on the illegal actions of sos Patterson and the faceless securicrats .

Marty, I think you have got the wrong Kearney, it...

2011-12-16T22:47:52.911Z

Marty,
I think you have got the wrong Kearney, it is Ciaran who is connected to the Donaldsons.

Tain Bo I appreciate that you took the time to loo...

2011-12-16T20:10:28.108Z

Tain Bo
I appreciate that you took the time to look at the said video that is being used as evidence against Marian following discussions on here
I have read your last post and I think after reading it you are beginning to understand what my point is .At no time have I condemned her for anything other than what is a person like herself still trying to seek out life, she has done some of the hardest miles imaginable in jail and being let down very badly by the very army and supporters that she fought for, they sold her out as she has said publicly.
Why does she think this current crop of freedom fighters would not let her down in the same way.
They will probably let her down even more than the Provo’s.

Boyne Rover, I read the statement and watched a v...

2011-12-16T18:34:02.555Z

Boyne Rover,

I read the statement and watched a video clip for the first time yesterday. I was expecting to read a well-executed document that would inspire or incite nationalists.
My initial reaction was I found the statement bemusing and self-contradictory, as I am still unsure of its intent.
I read it several times methodically and did not find it as one fluid statement but rather mishmash hastily put together resulting in a mixed message with none too little propaganda value.

Upon watching the video clip the only thing that made any sense to my ears is the helicopter hovering.
The orator appears to be as confused as the statement as he does not deliver it with any fluidity it seems his mind is preoccupied, as he is clearly nervous maybe the drone of the helicopter enhanced his nervous appearance as it looks like he is waiting for the security forces to move in and scoop the lot of them. That in my opinion would imply a psychological weakness on their part, as their enemy is already victorious does the orator actually sound convincing. I say enemy though after reading the statement I am unsure which enemy.

The only thing it inspired me to do was shut down the computer and make a cup of tea.
I would venture to say that the Brits have probably inspired more nationalists than the actual statement did. If they had not arrested Marian, the statement would have gone unheeded and I certainly would not have read it.

Sooner rather than later one can only hope they will give up the gun and enter into the political arena.

One thing for certain Marian will be well pleased ...

2011-12-16T15:31:37.920Z

One thing for certain Marian will be well pleased with the mention and support shown for her plight from her fellow sisters and comrades the ex pows authors of IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF ANNE, which had its launch in the Conway Mill last night and judging by the number of books sold and the requests for more this book is going to be a much sought after collection of womens stories for anyone interested in the recent struggle.

I would agree with Tain Bo. And add that the print...

2011-12-15T22:19:44.434Z

I would agree with Tain Bo. And add that the printed words on the paper were not visible to MP, nor might they have been specifically illegal, what was on the paper may only have been an outline requiring the creativity or embelishment different to how they were written/printed.

But that is a side show that will, in time, be addressed through formality of a trial.

The real question revolves around the legality of the actions of the State and the SoS. Has the SoS usurped the role of the Judiciary and fair trial process? It looks like he has.

Boyne Rover, I am trying to hunt down the stateme...

2011-12-15T20:43:51.958Z

Boyne Rover,

I am trying to hunt down the statement or should I say rhetoric, I do not believe I am trying to convince you are anyone else on the issue. Your post in my opinion was reasonably fair and well thought out.
I would have to read or listen to it before I could answer your fair question.
It is still a bit of paper until the courts deem it otherwise and so far, they have not concluded the trial.

On a side note, I believe one of the masked men did not encounter the same treatment as Marian as bail was granted in his case if it is the same statement then I would assume considering his military garb he would pose more of a threat?

If it was, a Loyalist female prisoner held under the same circumstances I would still argue against her unusual punishment and demand her release and the right to a fair trial.

Tain Bo I have been trying to work out your reply ...

2011-12-15T18:37:17.847Z

Tain Bo
I have been trying to work out your reply and don’t seem to grasp what you mean by people being arrested for holding up a statement.
It’s not the act of holding a statement up for someone to read that would get someone put in jail, but maybe the content.
Maybe you will now try and convince me that when the Masked Crusader spoke to crowd whom had gathered, was not what was written on the page Marion held up in front of him. I hope for her sake it wasn’t.
My idea of achieving freedom would certainly not be holding a page in front of some dummy that wants to wage war on someone.

Bookworm a cara re;qsf the ex psf who I from now s...

2011-12-15T16:38:28.709Z

Bookworm a cara re;qsf the ex psf who I from now shall refer to as qsf can mean..
Quisling Sinn Fein ..self eplanatory
Quadruplator SinnFein..Tout Sinn Fein
Quae Sinn Fein..What cant be avoided must be endured Sinn Fein
Qualiscumque Sinn Fein..whatever you want it to be Sinn Fein...
Did you hear Deccie Kearny on the Steven Nolan show this morning I,m still laughing what a wally and not a mention of dear old da-in -law amomg all his moaning about mi5 and agents,sure he neednt look to far around him in qsf to see loads of the f##kers..

Boyne Rover i find it difficult to reject your vie...

2011-12-15T14:26:43.183Z

Boyne Rover
i find it difficult to reject your viewpoint on this. She should be let go home and hopefully think twice in future. Those trying to start more trouble would then have to dredge deeper for a new issue.

The butchers apron isnt just flying over the city ...

2011-12-15T08:48:52.430Z

The butchers apron isnt just flying over the city hall Tain bo in fact thanks to qsf its flying all over this place and here to stay due to the negotation skills of those wasters,carpetbaggers ,agents...

Marty, It is a bit of positive news hopefully his...

2011-12-14T23:03:16.112Z

Marty,

It is a bit of positive news hopefully his voice will light a fire under the arses of all the politicians regarding the excessive powers of the State.

I think Nula answered it best in another article stating that qsf were too busy with more important issues namely the Union Jack flying over city hall.
I hope that this will shame them into objecting to Marian’s detention. Wishful thinking on my part.

It should also be stated that whereas Pat Ramsey a...

2011-12-14T22:51:41.624Z

It should also be stated that whereas Pat Ramsey and the sdlp in general owe nothing to Marian or the republican community ,their concern for this injustice that is forced upon Marian is a breath of fresh air compared to the stagnant silence and actions of qsf who as a body politic owe everything to Marian and the republican community.

Tain bo thanks for that a cara its a credit to Pat...

2011-12-14T22:25:01.748Z

Tain bo thanks for that a cara its a credit to Pat Ramsey that he recognises the injustice that is being meted out to Marian,and a disgrace that the other Ramsey and her mates in qsf can think of nothing more than stuffing their faces and lining their pockets.

At least one politician is doing his job without b...

2011-12-14T21:31:45.972Z

At least one politician is doing his job without bias.

http://www.newswireni.com/content/pressure-mounting-nio-release-marian-price

I was talking to Marian,s sister a little while ag...

2011-12-14T19:20:52.897Z

I was talking to Marian,s sister a little while ago,she said she was concerned about Marian,s health,so much so she asked her doctor to have a look at her and this was refused by the governor,now Marion is being held illegaly and on no charge worth laughing at yet today we hear the results of the HET,s latest inquiry into the Miami showband massacare, which we are told of agents, collusion at the very top,and no proper investigation or charges, we see geriatic prison screws well past retirment age getting £100 K plus handouts (and whats the betting they and their mates are already on DLA) and the qsf said as usual zilch not a dickeybird,justice? how are ya my arse!

Tiarna, You did read correctly the pardon was mys...

2011-12-14T19:16:11.293Z

Tiarna,

You did read correctly the pardon was mysteriously (allegedly) shredded below is a link to (Suzanne Breen, Sunday World) article.

http://www.nuzhound.com/articles/breen/arts2011/nov13_IRA_bombers_pardon_lost__SBreen_Sunday-World.php

The silence on the issue is deafening as society does not appear to question or object to a female prisoner interned in a male prison.
Selective “legal” torture is acceptable as there is no public objection to her inhumane treatment.
The failure of Northern Irish politicians to defend her human rights is a silent endorsement of selective internment.
In my opinion, the British could care less about the legality of her case as they are holding her as a political (hostage) internee.

Excellent point tiarna,and imo well worth investig...

2011-12-14T12:56:27.026Z

Excellent point tiarna,and imo well worth investigating,I would hope the Marian,s legal team have looked at that,

Most people, veteran republicans included, rely on...

2011-12-14T09:52:46.910Z

Most people, veteran republicans included, rely on their lawyers to know what is best. Bail applications were the obvious choice at first but when successful applications have been frustrated then only one other type of application is available.

Anyone can take any legal action they feel appropriate but most rely on lawyers to do it for them -application for writ of habeas corpus is no different.

Like I said before maybe MP lawyers do not see the same sense of urgency or are so concerned with her position that habeas corpus is not appropriate and only bail applications are? Their approach appears to conflict with the senitments expressed by Sandy Boyer in this blogg.

If I have read things correctly and the SoS has confirmed a possibility that her Pardon was shredded --then that would be an admittance by the SoS that he is aware that she was not on license --tehrefore that would amount to immediate and unlawful detention --where only habeas corpus and not bail would be appropriate.

A Government Minister or Prime Minister do not hold higher authority than the Court.

Tiarna, I am not arguing against your opinion I a...

2011-12-14T00:11:44.682Z

Tiarna,

I am not arguing against your opinion I am just stating my own as a layperson without any legal qualification and as opinions go I do not see them as necessarily right or wrong.

The writ does not need a solicitor, any interested party can petition habeas corpus. I am sure after 7 months in detention Marian and her counsel have probably discussed available legal recourse considering Marian is no stranger to the British judicial system and its abuse.

The fact that she is still detained at the request of higher authority than the courts would suggest that the Brits could care less about legal procedure and would be even less deterred by an insignificant punishment from any European human rights court.

There cannot be any justice for Marian as the injustice has and is already taking place. Her unusual punishment definitely exceeds her alleged crime.

I believe the statement "its better to die on...

2011-12-13T21:27:26.189Z

I believe the statement "its better to die on your feet than to live on your knees"Zapata,express.s the spirit of resistance shown by so many here over the decades,age and experiences,convince me that armed resistance is not the way to go, but if I was 30 years younger I might not listen as did that generation of 69.Marian Price is a proud and noble Irish woman and is a victim of a nation divided,she is not the criminal here,the brits are the occupiers of this stolen land and that fact even with the passage of time remains the fact,and as Pearse rightly said Ireland unfree shall never be at peace..

Boyne Rover, I think it comes down to how one int...

2011-12-13T20:28:19.026Z

Boyne Rover,

I think it comes down to how one interprets “freedom.”
Losing one’s freedom for holding up a statement might beg the question how free are we?