Comments on The Pensive Quill: It Has Been 21 Months

Itsjustmacker, never worry about it

2013-02-14T21:27:14.409Z

Itsjustmacker,

never worry about it

Anthony: Everything is fine now, but it happened ...

2013-02-14T21:20:49.993Z

Anthony:

Everything is fine now, but it happened a few times and it really got me to think, what is going on here. So I'm sorry, but, I had to mention the scenarios as to which I thought was the cause.

Mackers , Thanks for that.

2013-02-14T19:20:26.224Z

Mackers ,
Thanks for that.

Nuala, my fault with the Murney piece. It slipped...

2013-02-14T19:15:17.138Z

Nuala,

my fault with the Murney piece. It slipped my mind. Will run it shortly

Itsjustmacker, I think the problem might be with ...

2013-02-14T19:10:08.328Z

Itsjustmacker,

I think the problem might be with your computer. It seems alright here in as far as we can tell

Me too, but only recently. And the 'enter your...

2013-02-14T18:03:40.531Z

Me too, but only recently. And the 'enter your comment' box is often missing too. I assumed it was just me and my own stupidity with machines.. Gremlins no doubt.

I doubt very much that the blog has been compromised or hacked. Anthony would've picked up on it I'm sure. Sometimes software just goes a bit doolally .. Listen to me, like I know what I'm talking about!

Sorry if I've started something mentioning the other forum! My point was that some people go to a lot of trouble to cause trouble and the Internet is a great place to do this as people can remain faceless and nameless if they wish.

Aye, it has happened to me on a number of occassio...

2013-02-14T16:26:36.974Z

Aye, it has happened to me on a number of occassions to be fair. I did not know if it was standard, as it asked for my blog password, and change of password. No conspiract theories, now, as I get there in the end. Hence, grammar errors, typos, as I make try to remember what I have written without reading it again. Lazy sod. Apologies.

If I am off track, please let me know. Do I read i...

2013-02-14T15:35:04.467Z

If I am off track, please let me know. Do I read into this that Niall and Seamus know each other, or is it just a quirp?.

I'm not sure if anyone else has been having this problem, Yesterday I was finding it difficult to post, as I was typing ,the words just disapeared, as if being deleted from another source ,Now the Logical thing to do was Scan My Computer, Clean as a whistle, nothing found, I then thought, Its just a moderator having a laugh, (no disrespect meant Anthony I will get to the reasoning of my thoughts), I then thought, Its not my computer as it was fully scanned, and, if its not a moderator having some fun, then the logical conclusion has to be, TPQ has been compromised. Is anyone else having this problem, or, did anyone have the problem, If it is not the latter, then, My computer is being compromised by unknown forces, I can't think of anything else. Honest replies required urgently. Seems I can type all this and nothing being deleted.

And some people just don't like it when questi...

2013-02-14T11:53:29.123Z

And some people just don't like it when questions are asked, instead of looking at the validity of the questions posed they ignore them and go on the offensive.

Fionnuala has been consistently asked to provide evidence, allegations without substance or foundation.

As for a blog being set up in feb, I've never used a blog wouldnt know where to begin, but I did have to set up a profile using my email address to be able post on this forum. I'm sure Anthony can confirm whether this is normal or not.

And Niall leave my beard out of this, unless of course it doesn't belong to me but someone else.

Seamus

Dingo, The theme remains unbroken the promotion of...

2013-02-14T11:39:50.198Z

Dingo,
The theme remains unbroken the promotion of one and the put down of others. Mackers had a right to be concerned that I was taking issue. But sincere commentators had a right to know that there was menace at work.

Niall,
I wonder who was censoring who! I have been very annoyed over this. Firstly it's not nice highlighting the stuff, it leaves a very bad taste and I am sincere about that. Would ignoring have been the better option? I honestly don't know but in reality I think it would have gotten worse.

BelfastBookworm,
This behaviour has the potential to harm. I have no doubt it happened on other sites, we can't protect ourselves from it but rather we can just hope the mixers stops or common sense prevails.

Yes, I think it has been given more attention than...

2013-02-14T10:35:07.559Z

Yes, I think it has been given more attention than it deserves too. But, wasn't there a whole issue over on another forum a couple of years ago where someone unearthed an issue where a moderator wasn't who they said they were? I think it was Irish republican.net? I think I remember a whole scandal around this & private messages were actually bring hacked.

I know this isn't exactly the same but my point is, that as bizarre as it may seem, some people will go to great lengths to put the mix in.

Are we to shout at the act of censorship while at ...

2013-02-14T10:19:41.088Z

Are we to shout at the act of censorship while at the same time censoring others who we are aggrieved towards?

Fionnula, if we accept your postulating on the gender of Seamus Mc then come Friday 8th March -

At this demo she will be the one with the beard……which I would think shouldn’t make her too hard to spot as even though the ‘island’ may not be internationally perceived as the metropolis that it really is, even a woman wearing a beard wouldn’t go unnoticed by the locals!!!!!!!

PS – Now on the mentioning of passports in a prior post by Seamus Mc (aka as Margaret at the weekends), I believe I should remind all those travelling from that sprawling urban suburb of revolutionary fervour – West Belfast – I would have spelt it in Gaelic but decided upon the Ulster Scots spelling instead – that passports are not required West of the Bann…..there are no British or Irish custom posts, there is no duty free but yes, there are tarmacked roads for your DLA cars to run on.

Safe travelling.

I took the time to read again TPQ from the transcr...

2013-02-14T08:38:02.161Z

I took the time to read again TPQ from the transcript of Bernadette's speech at the bloody Sunday/March for justice to this "its been 21 months"
I can only 2nd what Nuala has said in her last comment -
Seamus Mc has only been adversial to others commenting on TPQ from the opening "my first post" on 1st February (incidentally their blog set up Feb 2013). That comment and subsequent ones malicious towards the motivations of Bernadette speaking at bloody Sunday/March for justice. In context Bernadette spoke at a rally remembering the injustice of bloody Sunday, of other injustices and just days after the passing of Dolours Price, Bernadette also reiterating the injustice of the internment of Marian price yet Seamus Mc without any respect to the occasion maliciously attacked Bernadette without basis, and sought to bring discord into this forum-it is for debate here but it was menacing to do so with stag vengeance.
This article is an open request from the Price/McGlinchey family in mourning and a loved family member interned for "its been 21 months now". Immediately again Seamus Mc has severely criticised the family maliciously without open constructive debate on where this initiative may now take the campaign. They have maintained that stance throughout the comments that's a consistent theme from February 1st, I question their motivation and if sincere about campaigning to free Marian what ulterior motives or agenda do they have to be so vitriolic.
Glad some persisted in pursuing Seamus Mc in questioning their negativity towards family, friends,campaigners because its something to be left out is any negativity.

Marians internment cannot be justified on any grounds - those supporting the campaign can find within that areas of interest, speciality whether on the ground campaigning, legal, medical,human rights matters,use of social online media.

My tiny positive step is emailing as per in article ways some of us campaign or share information, re-establishing my own blog on the internment of Marian so it is easily shared - I share through Twitter now and many others #FreeMarianPrice share info that way. Many from their involved in other ways too. - trying to undermine the families efforts and campaign is reprehensible - but lets continue we are all doing our part.

Alec, Yes that's how things should go or that&...

2013-02-14T00:26:17.214Z

Alec,
Yes that's how things should go or that's what campaigners would expect, petty squabbles to be set aside so that the issue transcends . Squabbles I can get over because human nature often dictates that disagreements and squabbles occur, even when it is not our intention sometimes they just arise. But this is different this is menacing and the reason I pointed it out was to alert the person to let them know I was aware of it.
A few hours ago I re-read their first post on this page and it reaffirmed for me what I had said.

BelfastBookworm,
It took a while for the penny to drop I was suspicious on
Sunday but Mondays post said it all.

Eddie
Yes a lot of anger directed at a family in absolute turmoil.
What motives behaviour like this, who knows.
Time to put to rest has been given more than its fair share of attention.

Its almost certain that we are more susceptible an...

2013-02-13T22:30:44.849Z

Its almost certain that we are more susceptible and more likely to pick the printed word up wrong than if we were conversing face to face and seeing other nuances and body language etc. I think most people are aware of that and frame their printed utterances with that in mind

For example, I think SeamusMc could be right to be disappointed that more is not made of the Marian Price website and that he would also have the right to express that disapointment. But more than that SeamusMc seems to be angry more than disappointed.

Can he/she not reason to him/ herself that the Price family might be just about holding themselves together and not as able as others to easily conduct such campaigns etc.

I feel that in some of his/her comments SeamusMc was being derogatory towards the Price family. If you were genuine I dont know why you would do that, and because of that I for one am also wondering at SeamusMc's motives

Seamus; did it not enter your head to make suggest...

2013-02-13T21:52:37.367Z

Seamus; did it not enter your head to make suggestions about how perhaps the campaign could become more cohesive, rather than ask questions, which really came across as demands? (whether intentional or not)

You said the family were being vague, that theyd 'done not much else' in terms of being constructive, were devoid of strategy, and suggested that they'd most likely not even come back to you if you emailed them.

Your language; 'paltry statements', your sarcasm; 'they may or may not get back to you', reads to me like an attack on the family, in turn undermining the campaign.

If you are genuine and I'm taking you at face value here, surely it wouldve been far more constructive and helpful to propose alternatives and suggestions.

Perhaps you are just frustrated that Marian hasn't been release but your approach to this to date has been dubious at best in my opinion.

Fionnuala; I can only comment on what I see and I think you're right to be suspicious.

Seamus you have totally misunderstood my posts. I...

2013-02-13T20:57:42.127Z

Seamus

you have totally misunderstood my posts. I have been addressing Nuala's logic and not your opinions. I do not deny you nor anyone else an opinion on this or anyother campaign. Providing questions are asked constuctively and in good faith then who am I to object.

I thought I did say you were not attacking an individual. You actually quote me so there can be no confusion here. I have attempted to steer clear of taking a side in this dispute. Do not draw me into something I have no desire to be apart of based on a misunderstanding.

Alec, Fionnuala, I’m addressing this to you both ...

2013-02-13T20:16:36.412Z

Alec, Fionnuala,

I’m addressing this to you both in light of your online tete a tete.

I’m going to address a couple of comments/issues posted by you both.

Fionnuala says that I can easily prove who I am if I want. Has Fionnuala joined the RUC? The reason I ask is that unless Fionnuala has, and she stops me in street, she has no right to ask me to prove my identity. Has Fionnuala asked everyone who posts here to do the same or is it just people she takes a dislike to?

Alec, you state that you fail to see the logic, I fail to see Fionnuala’s logic. Fionnuala and lot of people have given a lot of time and expended a lot of energy, but does that deny anyone supportive of the campaign the right to ask questions of the strategy being employed, or as I have said the lack of strategy?

She may be honest in her belief, but that does not make her right? She has gone from accusing me of being someone I am not, to being instructed by this mystery person. She also states that her evidence is vague, and it’s a gut feeling. As Anthony has pointed out this is similar to the strategy employed against Marian by the British.

Fionnuala you also wrote ‘If I feel the need at a later date I will discuss other evidence . Not on the blog but in private.’

Is this not what the British are holding Marian and Martin Corey on, secret evidence discussed in private?

Fionnuala also says she will be at the march in Coalisland on the 8th March, Should I bring my licence passport and birth certificate? Fionnaula seems to be of the opinion that I am someway required to present myself to her for verification. And if I present myself to her in Coalisland on the 8th she will come on here and apologise, that’s very big of her, so generous of her. Yet still there is nothing to stop her to say yes she met Seamus, but he is being directed by someone. Either way there is nothing I can do to stop Fionnuala spinning rubbish.

Alec you also state ’All campaigns are open to criticism without there being any deliberate intention of targeting individuals.’ Can you point out where I have targeted any individual, if you read the posts I have been the target of Fionnuala’s ire for some reason I cannot fathom. I have asked difficult questions, and have acknowledged this, that does not in any way justify Fionnuala’s antics.

Fionnuala, you say there are no winners in this situation, this isn’t a case of someone winning or losing, but I’m not going to subject myself to your kangaroo court. You have attacked me for asking questions, you have used Shinner Chinese whisper tactics against me and now you are using Brit tactics against me.

All this because I had the audacity to ask questions and have my own opinions, I’ve asked my questions, and been attacked, I’ll ask no more questions after this but I will think twice before I’m out on a cold night helping put leaflets in doors.

And as for the comments about unermining the campaign, I didn't know asking questions was undermining anything. if scrutiny cannot be withstood from someone supportive, then I woulder how criticism from some opposed to the campaign to free Marian would be handled?

Seamus

Belfast Bookworm This is not nice, but I began to ...

2013-02-13T19:37:19.533Z

Belfast Bookworm
This is not nice, but I began to see a pattern developing through various posts and it was a nasty undermining pattern. Again I will say I pointed it out simply to let he / she know. I remain convinced but if I am proved wrong I will let everyone know, but I want thank you for being supportive, it's nice when people who don't even know you see your side even if not entirely convinced.

Nuala, it is entirely possible for a person to ha...

2013-02-13T19:33:40.296Z

Nuala,

it is entirely possible for a person to have multiple accounts but to do this for the express purpose of critizing an important campaign would require a very devious mind. The reason I intervened is because I believe I know to whom you are refering. You used 'she' which sort of give it away. Surely, this woman would not stoop so low as to show such malice towards a campaign she worked hard for herself. Marain's wellbeing should transcend all personal and petty squabbles; I think you would agree.

Itsjustmacker, Sometimes you just know something i...

2013-02-13T19:30:03.236Z

Itsjustmacker,
Sometimes you just know something is going on! I read the posts and knew that it was an agenda being pushed by one person. Then when it continued on Monday all the similarities running these posts allegedly from different people.
I did not point it out to cause alarm on TPQ I have too much respect for this blog and those who contribute.
I merely wanted that person to know I knew but of course you are right evidence is evidence and lack evidence is just that, but there are other factors which I cannot bring to the blog and even if I could I would not because that's not who I am.

Fionnuala; I can see why you are suspicious at sea...

2013-02-13T18:54:44.048Z

Fionnuala; I can see why you are suspicious at seamus's comments. I'm not close to the campaign but I felt Seamus was undermining it.

I dont know whether you're correct or not though about him not being who he says he is but what I will say is, knowing what I do of you from your posts on here and through others, you wouldn't make comments like this without reason. Unlike others, myself included, your name is attached to your posts and I see you're always happy to stand by what you say.

I hope you're wrong, for obvious reasons, and I've no doubt you'll apologise if it's the case.

Fionnuala: " I just got a stomach churnin...

2013-02-13T18:53:42.762Z
Fionnuala:

" I just got a stomach churning feeling on Sunday evening going through the posts. I just know call it intuition or maybe gut feeling."

No disrespect to yourself, but that does not constitute evidence.
Even if someone turned up saying his name was Seamus, and he wrote the posts ,how would you know it was the same person, I'm just trying to point out the "If" and "But" scenario, and if he has never met you or does not know what you look like, how is he going to recognise you?, are you going to call out over the tanoid system for "anyone here called Seamus who posted on TPQ, I'm Fionnuala, can we speak please". But, If you really believe you Know who this person is, then you should be able to recognise him/her, if he/she turns up. I know you are an intelligent Lady, so I hope he/she turns up and you get it sorted, otherwise I see no evidence at all.

Please don't think I am running you down, I'm not, just trying to give you a little advice.

Nuala, it is reference to my view on the campaig...

2013-02-13T18:24:06.597Z
Nuala,

it is reference to my view on the campaign not yet being successful not conforming to or complying with the consensus (not your exact words).

Alec, Thanks so much, yes I agree the evidence is ...

2013-02-13T18:21:32.143Z
Alec,
Thanks so much, yes I agree the evidence is vague but I just got a stomach churning feeling on Sunday evening going through the posts. I just know call it intuition or maybe gut feeling. I know that a person or persons were posting promoting the one agenda. I believe this to be the one person or on the instruction of that person . I don't say this lightly anyone that knows me, knows i would never make scurrilous accusations if I did not believe what I was saying.
Alec there are no winners in this situation even if I am proved right is it a victory no!
Anyone can have multiple Internet identies and email addresses . If I feel the need at a later date I will discuss other evidence . Not on the blog but in private.