Comments on The Pensive Quill: Unionists wrong to take on Maggie

He sent two copies to Adams a cara and by the look...

2013-04-20T13:51:48.620+01:00

He sent two copies to Adams a cara and by the look of it they worked.

It’s official: Willie McCrea to face charges of sending a lethal device to Margaret Thatcher.

Larry, one reason why I would not now accept the...

2013-04-20T05:05:14.690+01:00

Larry,

one reason why I would not now accept the judgements given against anybody they alleged to have been a tout. People have to be given the benefit of the doubt. The Sandy House has drawn attention to a sordid affair, the end of which we have not heard yet. I would say multiple agencies and mutliple touts involved there. Touts entrapping touts, and touts killing touts while the security agencies fought out their own dirty little turf war and oneupmanship.

mackers reading your last post now in 2013 is ter...

2013-04-19T22:17:31.226+01:00

mackers

reading your last post now in 2013 is terrifying.

just headwrecking.

Simon, I understand. I think given that Stakekni...

2013-04-19T15:20:39.368+01:00

Simon,

I understand.

I think given that Stakeknife worked for the Brits it would not be logic inverting to presume that the Brits gave the go ahead for totally innocent volunteers and civilians to be killed. But what power did Stakeknife have? The power to extract a confession no doubt but the power to put on the black cap and pronounce sentence? The approval had to come from somebody on the A/C. The person who fits the bill here has to be the person who considered the evidence and gave the thumbs up or thumbs down. I would say that therein we shall find the answer to this sordid affair. That in my view is the most likely reason why the judge has access to a secret paper.

AM- What I mean is on the IRA's terms justice ...

2013-04-19T14:29:53.232+01:00

AM- What I mean is on the IRA's terms justice has to be seen to be done. We don't know if anybody was killed whilst innocent of the charge of informing. It's possible. So since nobody knows otherwise we can't assume Stakeknife only killed informers. Whether he did or not is important on a case by case basis but generally justice can't, on Republican terms, be seen to be done.

I suppose Republicans would be happier if he killed less important informers to save himself than if he killed other non-compromised Republicans to get them out of the way. But we may never know.

Apologies for the lack of coherence- I had a long day yesterday. No excuse for today's comment though so I hope it makes sense.

Mackers Sometimes it seems the Waterfront Hall wo...

2013-04-19T13:37:10.069+01:00

Mackers

Sometimes it seems the Waterfront Hall would be too wee, the entire island of Ireland it seems fits the bill more aptly.

Itsjustmacker, it seems pretty clear they are sti...

2013-04-19T06:56:48.606+01:00

Itsjustmacker,

it seems pretty clear they are still covering for their agents. And it is not Scap they are covering for.

Simon,

It doesn't matter if Stakeknife never led people who were wrongly accused of being informers to their deaths: It was a non-state actor's version of justice

I don't know what you mean.

This whole case stinks from top to bottom. It looks to me that there were multiple agencies involved and multiple touts. Agents were entrapping agents, intelligence services were playing a game of inter rivalry.

I suppose we could joke that word went out that there was a tout's convention being held and the Brits dived in to stop anymore converging on the scene! They were being bussed in from everywhere and the venue wasn't big enough to hold them all. From what we now know it would take something like the Waterfront Hall to hold them!

Dr Coulter: This has me mystified ; "...

2013-04-19T00:37:42.457+01:00
Dr Coulter:

This has me mystified ;

"Unionists should have reacted to Maryfield by setting up their own Unionist embassy in Leinster House to demand a full say in the running of the Republic.".

Unionist are British subjects and a British Embassy is in Dublin, only recognised Countries can have an Embassy in a foreign Country, Unionist are not a Country, they are a Political Party therefor do not have any right to set up an Embassy, Not alone in Dublin, but in any other country in the world.

" Maggie's spirit will be burning with rage at how Unionists were too thick to understand what she had achieved for them."

I agree with you, she is well burning and the stupid unionist are still thick, not knowing what they have really got, SF serving in a British Parliament at Stormont , accepting British Rule , administering British Law accepting British Policing. They have no idea how well of SF have made them. Yet they still want the wee flag back up on the City Hall, they have to accept reality, that is done and dusted, and , they should go on there hands and knees to SF and thank them for STILL BEING BRITISH.

Anthony: I read that today, makes you wonder thou...

2013-04-18T22:56:35.351+01:00
Anthony:

I read that today, makes you wonder though, after all this time they still want to protect the agents, Must be someone very high up the ladder who is still operating.

The problem with the touts was, and imo still is, one security section doesn't know what the other security sections touts are doing, or , who they are. psni v MI5 v nca v BA, a big game to see who can get the best info, I think they have left the culling a bit late, but, I wish they would start it now, that would be fun.

AM- I suppose more and more of these stories will ...

2013-04-18T22:47:40.149+01:00
AM- I suppose more and more of these stories will emerge. It doesn't matter if Stakeknife never led people who were wrongly accused of being informers to their deaths: It was a non-state actor's version of justice and justice not only has to be done but it has to be seen to be done.

Nobody can be sure if an individual slipped through the net or not. The truism that there can't be justice without injustice rings truer now than ever.

This just gets dirtier and dirtier. I am considering the possibility that the Brits had too many touts and were engaged in a culling exercise

Thatcher said all the Irish were Gerry Adams clones

Thatcher made no move to outlaw the uda which by t...

2013-04-18T15:24:37.233+01:00
Thatcher made no move to outlaw the uda which by that stage,ie., the signing of the Anglo-Irish agreement had murdered hundreds of nationalists yet remained a legal organisation,the unionist population was at that stage being manipulated by Paisley and led by the nose by this megalomaniac,who was never going to stop agitating until the reins of power were handed to him,with age and infirmity on the horizon,this two faced treacherous bible thumper ditched his principles and people for the chance to be the ring master of the circus that Stormont really is.and in true british fashion he and his equally bigoted wife have been honored by titles and to the eternal shame of the Irish government this friend of the Glenanne gang who with assistance from british agents murdered people in Dublin and Monaghan,has been feted like a statesman,which he certainly is not.no John if the brits ever really wanted peace here they should have taken that arch bigot out of the equation at a very early stage.and for fuck sake John dont say that HM government wouldnt do such things..