Comments on The Pensive Quill: The need for gung-ho tactics

JN he IS George Seawright except his mammy investe...

2013-05-02T09:37:53.117+01:00

JN
he IS George Seawright except his mammy invested in a couple of elocution lessons where he was concerned.

is John to the left or right of George Seawright?

2013-05-01T23:09:09.475+01:00

is John to the left or right of George Seawright?

Presume if the author of this poison is being cons...

2013-04-30T21:38:11.821+01:00

Presume if the author of this poison is being consistent he will understand and support some citizens and football fans of North Belfast having had a grenade thrown at them at a sporting event by terriorist scum may have chosen to join or support an armed grouping that sought to "hit back"

James i'm too poor to afford sky, i'm loo...

2013-04-30T18:24:14.877+01:00

James

i'm too poor to afford sky, i'm lookin forward to free sanwiches and tae tomorrow, all i have is me skool bus money every week. but i'm sure whatever they are inventing will be viwed with shock-awe and amazement by third world peasantry with no clue about whats going on.

BKeane did you hear the intensity and duration of...

2013-04-30T18:21:28.148+01:00

BKeane

did you hear the intensity and duration of gunfire at the wee lad cowering in the boat?

maybe the 'green berets' (America's finest) thought they were shooting at eachother. Friendly fire being in vogue.

Gung ho, When the second lad was caught we were to...

2013-04-30T16:54:19.209+01:00

Gung ho, When the second lad was caught we were told there was a 1 and half hour gunfight. a few days ago we are told he had no gun and was in fact unarmed. How do you have a 1 and a half hour gun battle with no gun?

marty I've an appointment at the docs for ext...

2013-04-30T15:55:03.261+01:00

marty

I've an appointment at the docs for extremely effective pain killers only available on prescription and beta-blockers in case i need to act dead. My previous batch ran out watching the SF conference in the Royal Hotel in Mayo.

As for castle catholics, SF burried and turned its back on the dead and living volunteers in order to attract that very same electoral 'constiuency' .

There is no middle ground in the north, there's a consolidation and perpetuation of division and sectarianism with SF and the DUP in a permanent carve up in a non-entity of a talking shop on the hill.

Peace walls have been heightened and 9 new ones built. Peace-process?? 'peace-process-industry'.

When people start marching to put the tricolour up alongside the butchers apron ye might see what the RUC are all about pretty quick.
Where will SF run for cover then?

The reality looks very, very likely that the catho...

2013-04-30T15:52:40.217+01:00

The reality looks very, very likely that the catholic middle class will sustain the union over the next 50 years.

Robinson is spot on about this.

Larry,

Have you ever seen future weapons on channel 5 or sky?

2013-04-30T15:31:28.369+01:00

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Larry you have an appointment in Thatcher house on...

2013-04-30T15:27:06.255+01:00

Larry you have an appointment in Thatcher house on the Anytout rd with the attitude dept,please bring a stretcher,pain killers (lots),also I agree with Anthony on your point about the castle catholics and unionism,I,ve already heard that position from those who used to think q$£ and those that followed them in the days before treachery became fashionable,that republicans were something to scrape of ones shoe,and now its "isnt norn iorn a great wee place"Pete the punt has been well advised in this matter there is a class,probably always has been of catholic of would be more than happy to remain British just as it seems the most devout royalist supporters in England seem to be catholic..

Larry, I think one of your earlier comments was c...

2013-04-30T14:29:24.314+01:00

Larry,

I think one of your earlier comments was closer to the point when you pointed out that Robinson thinks the Catholic middle class will help sustain the union over the next half century.

just wondering when the RCs get the majority in th...

2013-04-30T14:10:34.928+01:00

just wondering when the RCs get the majority in the north and a border poll decides in favour of unity will the prods accept it? If not and they start stirring up twubble will John advocate the same tactical deployment of state terror?

Marty

yer last post sounded like a SF party bradcast...'slowly slowly catch a monkey' lol

John is at his usual wind-up. Takes one to know on...

2013-04-30T13:15:55.650+01:00

John is at his usual wind-up. Takes one to know one. But if the SH-1-T ever truely hit the fan in N. East Ulster he and his likes, injustice minister Ford for example, would'nt be queing for the ferry, they'd be in a private chartered plane out well in advance.

The shoot to kill in Armagh saw a hundred ++ rounds getting pumped into a car by a 'police' service with intel' so good (from one of the victims own brothers) that it was abundantly clear there was no danger from the 3 unarmed men inside the vehicle. An action from a force reacting to it's own incompetence wich had resulted in a land-mine attack. Pre meditated murder absolutely, and the RUC officers were promoted....then again so was justice Gibson...well, he was elevated/incinerated.

The RUC were a huge part of the war in the north, they ran it in large part on both sides. The trick will be to find a replacement for SF arse-wipes without handing jobs back to RUC/UVF terrorists. The problem is replacing the 'piss-process industry' with real politics without reintroducing the security-industry for the desperate huns... thus keeping our own kids out of jail and alive.

In Boston tanks and all sorts were deployed over three deaths. The same week 5 people were shot at an apartment block in Seattle, 2 in the carpark outside and 2 in seperate apartments inside. No tanks, no army regiments required. The USA is desperate to look under attack. PATHETIC.

The possibility of chemical weapons having been deployed in Syria reeks of dirty tricks to me. Too small scale and after 30 yrs of state terror and dirty tricks here and the WMD bull-crap regarding Iraq who's to say it wasn't a Brit/Yank atrocity? I mean the CIA released anthrax on its own people for political effect after 9-11. The problem is a totally compliant/complicit media gives them the safety to do so.

The problem with the 'RA was when they were engaged in a war they were too politically minded. Not ugly enough.

Agreed Anthony and when the state can recruit from...

2013-04-30T13:13:14.534+01:00

Agreed Anthony and when the state can recruit from a section of the community that is fanatically loyal to it,as here in norn iorn then state terrorism coupled with discrimination against a sizeable disenfranchised section of the community leads to a reaction that has long term consequences for all involved including the state, the implementation of the the law in a fair and evenhanded manner may not make for great tv viewing but is much more effective in the long term,policing must be community led and involved ,the days of the wild west died with the gunfight at the OK Corral.

What John seems not to appreciate is that he is ad...

2013-04-30T12:45:23.243+01:00

What John seems not to appreciate is that he is advocating what I would define as state terrorism to deal with a problem he defines as terrorism.

When I first looked at Johns post My immediate tho...

2013-04-30T12:19:07.435+01:00

When I first looked at Johns post My immediate thought was,"here we go again,get into the taigs" but I took the time to read the post and for a change John as it seems looked at his argument in the round and not just from a unionist perspective,ie hunting down the uvf killers of John Scullion Boston cop style, however what John fails to address or mention here is that the cops i.e.the RUC were never an impartial police force or interested in upholding the law of the land over party interests,in fact the RUC were part of the problem here John almost 100%unionist in composition and orange in outlook.. their history speaks for itself remember chief insp Nixon the mass murderer,collusion Pat Finucane etc they also DID have a shoot to kill policy John a one sided one and Castlereagh ,Gough barracks bring back many happy memories to many,for sheer brutality ask the people of Derry and the Devenny family whether or not the boys of the RUC could have learned from their Boston counterparts I,d say they could have taught them a trick or two...

Irish Americans have been mute and dumb when it co...

2013-04-30T11:49:23.323+01:00

Irish Americans have been mute and dumb when it comes to the US government's treatment of 100+ hunger strikers in Guantanomo who are force fed AND have rubber bullets fired into their cells. Even the H blocks didn't go that far, nobody in Guantanomo has even been charged with a crime ! Martin Galvin and his irish American Jesuit educated friends works tirelessly on their behalf each 60/60/24/365 ?

It is very difficult to condone such indiscriminat...

2013-04-30T11:26:50.178+01:00

It is very difficult to condone such indiscriminate attacks on civilians yet we live in a world where indiscriminate drone attacks are justified by America and our own colonial oppressor! Call me a cynic or the fact I have been in the North too long, but something just ain't right with the media/government immediate response to this attack. For me it has similar shades of ambiguity regarding how much the American Intelligence's prior knowledge of the event. Was glad to hear Paxman allude to this when he quizzed a local Boston photographer on why the press/police ran directly towards the bomb immediately after it exploded..they weren't exactly following protocol!
We cannot delude ourselves that the Americans did not factor in losses @ home when they decided to wreak havoc away!
As the old PIRA slogan after Brighton said, 'We only have to be lucky once'.
I prefer not to get bogged down in the myre of conspiracy theorem but suffice to say we are all mere pawns in a global power game. But the preciseness of the heavy handed direct military lock down coupled with the seemingly choreographed media response was a bit peculiar.
Let's hope for the sake of global stability that people weren't cynically considered to be expendable in order to garnish American public support for a global political agenda..

What then of the far more serious issue of the ...

2013-04-30T10:25:39.841+01:00

What then of the far more serious issue of the 'terrorists' operating in Syria - armed, financed and supported by the British and American governments in conjunction with their regional allies? Oh yeah, I forgot.. It's not terrorism when 'we' are behind it. This piece falls down totally because it ignores the principle of universality - if you're going to measure someone or something by a certain standard then you must be prepared for that standard to be applied to yourself, your own actions, your own policies.

John's piece says absolutely nothing of the role of state power in any conflict. He fails to mention that agencies of the state here colluded with loyalist paramilitaries in their campaign of murder that took in places like Loughinisland and Greysteel. He refuses to see that the people he eulogises were themselves up to their necks in terrorism, where I'm from we know that the RUC and British Army directed those who murdered Kathleen O'Hagan up the road - despite the getaway car being burnt out half a mile from the scene it took 24 hours to find it despite army helicopters flying over what was a country area where fire would have been easily visible. Yeah right. The same applies to Boyle's Bar, Cappagh. You couldn't move in Cappagh or its hinterland it was that militarised yet the UVF drive in and out without a problem to do their foul deed. The roads were cleared for them. Liam Ryan and Michael Devlin were murdered in Ardboe with weapons supplied by British intelligence to loyalist paramilitary groups through Brian Nelson - and let's not forget the role of Unionist politicians in the Ulster Resistance movement who also were involved in procuring the South African weaponry used to drive fear into the Nationalist community through a campaign of unadulterated terror. But it's only terror when it's their terror against us. Our terror against others does not count, the principle of universality is to be ignored.

He also fails to address that shoot to kill itself often involved unjustified killing of unarmed people such as in the case of Colm McGirr and Brian Campbell who were checking on an arms dump in Clonoe but were themselves unarmed. As far as I'm aware the Gibraltar Three were unarmed, likewise Pearse Jordan when he was gunned down without probable cause. There were many more. Were these not acts of terrorism? Was Bloody Sunday not a 'terrorist' atrocity? If we're to define one thing as 'terrorism' then we have to concede that we cannot do the same thing ourselves and call it something else. And John, as ever, blindly refuses to do anything of the sort. The weakness in his argument is he sees the conflict through the prism of a neutral state carrying out law and order duties when in fact the state itself was a central player in the situation and involved in barbarism beyond anything attributable to republican paramilitaries

John doesn't seem to know his history. The B-S...

2013-04-30T09:55:50.711+01:00

John doesn't seem to know his history. The B-Specials were the UVF. The Lurgan RUC seems determined to retain that tradition.

Of course in the unionist/hun mindset plantation, murder, penal laws, ascendancy, partition and discrimination played no part in creating any socio-political deformity in Ireland. Nope, it was a wee hun paradise until someone invented terrorism. Wonder who that was? Whoever it was it seems to have become very popular, the Brits have found it in over 49 countries to date.

Maybe instead of talking junk John should spend some time considering how old perfidious albion are leaving hundreds of Afghanistan interpreters to their fate next year (when the Brits scurry home defeated again). The interpreters will have been left with written glowing references/death-certs.

Here's a thought, if the 3000 victims of the 1641 rebellion had indeed been the exagerated 250,000 disgustingly portrayed in the 1641 depositions (dodgy dossier of its day) maybe the Irish would have saved themselves centuries of strife. Food for thought John, careful what you wish for. How is Ballinderry by the way. Must be a wee taig majority there now too, like nearly everywhere else!