Comments on The Pensive Quill: Omagh March

Sam, Some good points there. They still don’t cal...

2011-04-22T23:20:13.926+01:00

Sam,

Some good points there. They still don’t call Bloody Sunday murder.

Yet I still don’t feel that these marches don’t vent a popular resentment.

‘If the newspapers, politicians et al, really want the nationalists and republican community to believe they are sincere, then one-sided condemnation must be ruthlessly ridiculed and placed in the bucket of hypocrisy forever.’

The nationalist community appear to be as opposed to the killing of cops as the unionist community. The republican community has shrunk to a fraction of what it once was.

Marty, ‘if we could unite under a single banner a...

2011-04-22T15:01:13.943+01:00

Marty,

‘if we could unite under a single banner and with good will and hard work we could create a non violent alternative to psf, it is in my honest opinion worth considering,’

But this would still be confronted with those who think that physical force is a right and duty which must be performed regardless of context or what anyone else thinks.

Gdelaney,

While I take the point it still amounts to a recipe for minority rule. The same type of logic that applied in Apartheid South Africa – minorities know best; or Lenin’s better fewer but better; or in the Middle East where the descendants of the Stern Gang and Irgun impose their regional minority view point on their neighbours. Why bother with elections when we don’t need them as a minority is better placed to decide? It simply is a recipe for tyranny.

Nuala,

‘the political policing and dracionian methods were well under way prior to this killing.’

That was my reason for using the term ‘more’ and for previously having written in a bid to draw attention to the issue.

‘What never fails to amaze me about these rallies is they are blatantly selective.’

Most rallies are. Few republicans demanding justice for the dead of Bloody Sunday ever marched demanding it for the dead of Bloody Friday. I think it is part of the human condition. The politicians of course lay the hypocrisy on thick.

McGuinness aint that popular in Derry. I've he...

2011-04-14T09:55:58.603+01:00

McGuinness aint that popular in Derry. I've heard lots of people express their distaste at him fom years ago...a sender-outer, not a doer seems the verdict. Cute hoor.

None of the dissidents will go against Martin ...

2011-04-13T21:26:26.828+01:00
None of the dissidents will go against Martin McGuinness in the
elections- despite the hardliners
standing in other area's-it looks like Martin has scared the be-jesus
out of the big-heads

So does that mean Martin will actually be standing in Derry, for a change?

Sincere apologies for getting the name wrong, I sh...

2011-04-13T20:17:58.675+01:00
Sincere apologies for getting the name wrong, I should have said, I heard Adams speak out about handing over information to the police when Robert Mc Cartney was murdered.
In the case of Paul Quinn, I just remember Conor Murphy implying he was a criminal and his death was the result of criminal activities.

Nuala Mary Lou is a carpetbagger and Mc Guinnes...

2011-04-13T20:13:40.804+01:00
Nuala Mary Lou is a carpetbagger and Mc Guinness !well hon he,s the man that told Frank Haggerty,s mum it was safe for him to come home,would you really buy a second hand car from either of them?

Marty, I heard him comment on the murder of Raymo...

2011-04-13T19:33:34.838+01:00
Marty,
I heard him comment on the murder of Raymond Mc Cartney, honestly never heard Adams say that about Paul Quinn, however I am sure it is correct.

According to McGuinness, all the republicans have joined the PSNI.
Both he and anti-IRA Mary Lou said there are a considerable amount of nationalist and republicans in the police, wonder did they declare that on the interview?

Nuala hon before Mickeyboy starts, Adams did call ...

2011-04-12T07:59:08.142+01:00
Nuala hon before Mickeyboy starts, Adams did call for anyone with information on the murders of both Robert Mc Cartney and Paul Quinn to go to the police,he did so with tounge in cheek knowing rightly noone would come foward, it was a tatic the sticks used a lot,the master is a quick learner in matters re covering his ass, [would need to be with his bro] but your right re organised so called pro peace marches,they have lost credibility when they are one sided and not justice based.

As you have rightly said Anthony many times before...

2011-04-12T00:18:43.801+01:00
As you have rightly said Anthony many times before physical force Republicanism is both immoral and counter productive. Analogies with 1916 or 1776 fail to recognise that on those occasions the "rebels" really did represent the people and in both cases the "rebellion" led to success within 10 years. Compare those successes with the outcome of the post 69 Troubles. The plain fact is that violence did not deliver Irish unity, quite the opposite in fact it strenghened the Union. Adams and McGuiness simply recognised that fact and realised that the ballot was the only way forward. Those who remain wedded to physical force may have a variety of motives but political progress towards a united Ireland cannot rationally be one if them as that route has been tried and failed. Physical force Republicanism is more akin to a religious than a political movement. It is as though they believe that Mother Ireland is a blood thirsty diety who can only be worshiped by means of human sacrifice. These true believers don't care if the death and destruction brings a united Ireland all that matters is that blood is spilt. Physical force Republicanism is now best understood as a death cult, not as a form of nationalism.

dont remember a peace march organised for vol.john...

2011-04-11T23:47:53.348+01:00
dont remember a peace march organised for vol.john brady ,quite a selective march indeed.

if these people organised in a non violent way,in an anti imperialist way i think they british state would still use draconian measures against them.
also,something about all the talk of east tyrone in the media leading up to the 'seizures' in coalisland and dublin,all looks like feolon setting,and planting to remove 'undesireable memebers of the public..wouldnt be the first time....

"Martin has scared the be-jesus out of the bi...

2011-04-11T21:39:04.738+01:00
"Martin has scared the be-jesus
out of the big-heads"..Life puts manners on everyone.. m.henry. Just stick around for the final curtain !

Mackers, the political policing and dracionian me...

2011-04-11T21:37:26.017+01:00
Mackers,
the political policing and dracionian methods were well under way prior to this killing.
What never fails to amaze me about these rallies is they are blantantly selective.
I maybe wrong, but I don't remember people spilling on to the streets when Paul Quinn was beaten to death in a cow shed.
I don't remember Adams and Co asking for information to be passed on to the police or the perpetrators to be rounded up.
The whole spectacle made me feel queasy.

Speaking from an American perspective, we too had ...

2011-04-11T19:23:02.385+01:00
Speaking from an American perspective, we too had a small minority speaking for a reluctant majority in 1776 and they too were demonized by the then government as murderers as were the Irgun and the Stern Gang in what became Israel. All of those so called terrorists became respected world leaders by history. Too much water (or blood) has flowed under the proverbial bridge in the last 42 years for every single Irish man or woman to simply walk away for peace at any price. It has been said again and again that until the British have left for good there will be no peace and the rise of the so called Republican dissidents brings that point home. Forgive? In a perfect world, perhaps. But forget? I think it is unrealistic, and given the way this sham peace process has been jammed down the throat of the inheritors it comes as no surprise that the dance continues.

None of the dissidents will go against Martin McGu...

2011-04-11T18:32:09.062+01:00
None of the dissidents will go against Martin McGuinness in the
elections- despite the hardliners
standing in other area's-it looks like Martin has scared the be-jesus
out of the big-heads

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2011-04-11T11:40:31.941+01:00
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Why is it, according to the media and their brain-...

2011-04-11T05:50:16.742+01:00
Why is it, according to the media and their brain-dead mouthpieces, that only republicans murder, but the Brits alongside the RUC/PSNI simply kill? Call me cynical, but until the day comes when we see The Belfast Telegraph, Irish News et al, carry front page editorials condemning unequivocally and in an unambiguous manner the murders of Catholics and nationalist by crown forces such as the RUC/PSNI (and using the word murder quite clearly) then all these marches and moaning condemnations from morally bankrupt priests and politicians mean very little to those astute enough to understand the game being played. The spineless and pro-British ‘Irish’ Congress of Trade Unions (still controlled by the Sticks) are laughable and despicable, having never once called for ‘peace’ marches against British murders. In fact, they have never used the word murder once when it comes to nationalists murdered by the Brits and their proxies in the RUC/PSNI. If the newspapers, politicians et al, really want the nationalists and republican community to believe they are sincere, then one-sided condemnation must be ruthlessly ridiculed and placed in the bucket of hypocrisy forever.

I keep thinking of the men of 1916 being spat upon...

2011-04-10T22:17:18.135+01:00
I keep thinking of the men of 1916 being spat upon as the were led out under gaurd after the failed Easter rising,we have come a long way since then, republicans are a lot more confident in their position and not intimidated by either state or its new Broy harriers,if we could unite under a single banner and with good will and hard work we could create a non violent alternative to psf,it is in my honest opinion worth considering,

Before Gerry became a 'so called Peacemaker...

2011-04-10T21:08:28.975+01:00
Before Gerry became a 'so called Peacemaker' he had this to say about 'so called Peacemakers'...

"The weakness of the IRA of that period was that instead of pursuing the war to it's bitter end come what may, they allowed unscrupulous politicians and so called "Peacemakers" to gain the upper hand. The result was the betrayal of the Fight for Freedom followed by a vicious and brutal Civil War and of course partition. It is to be hoped that the lesson of that period will not be lost on today's leaders. There is only one time to talk of peace and that is when the war has been won not while it is raging. The time to talk of peace is when the British have left Ireland, otherwise they will find some excuse to remain."

Brownie [Gerry Adams] Republican News , May 8, 1976.