Comments on The Pensive Quill: Marian Price should be released immediately.

Larry, true but it hardly invalidates the point b...

2012-06-04T13:20:53.979+01:00

Larry,

true but it hardly invalidates the point being made

Mackers 'The men of 1916 blazed an honourable...

2012-06-03T10:20:20.592+01:00

Mackers

'The men of 1916 blazed an honourable trail in that respect. They did not come out of the GPO bowing and scraping to the monarchy and claiming a victory'.

Lest we forget...Arthur Griffith was a monarchist..and he wasn't alone.

Marty, a struggle as long as the IRA one was alwa...

2012-06-03T08:49:17.993+01:00

Marty,

a struggle as long as the IRA one was always going to produce an abundance of agents. The entire infrastructure was susceptible to it. I think the agent of influence dimension played an enormous role. For the AOIs it was much easier for them to hide than the operational tout. The spread of British ideas was fundamental to the erosion of republicanism and the defeat of the republican struggle. The armed struggle in my view could never have been won anyway and in those circumstances it is important to do the right thing and pack it in. The men of 1916 blazed an honourable trail in that respect. They did not come out of the GPO bowing and scraping to the monarchy and claiming a victory.

Marty, it was gutsy of Anita do do what she thoug...

2012-06-03T07:43:01.997+01:00

Marty,

it was gutsy of Anita do do what she thought the right thing. It shows that there are people who have a conscientious objection to bog standard and time honoured British policies yet who will not lend their support to armed campaigns of any republican hue.

But republican prisoners play only a very small part in SF's considerations these days. Unlike when it was a republican party it openly wants republicans imprisoned. As fugazi as republicanism might look to many of us the idea of backing the British state in its repressive policies or its political policing seems unpalatable.

Marty, I think it was Charles De Gaulle who once ...

2012-06-03T07:36:39.251+01:00

Marty,

I think it was Charles De Gaulle who once said that the cemeteries are filled with indispensable young men

marty make it business class will ye? if its an im...

2012-06-01T20:00:28.210+01:00

marty
make it business class will ye? if its an immediate turnaround again it like some comfort.

We sent Liz the brit a letter yesterday,telling he...

2012-06-01T14:34:12.113+01:00

We sent Liz the brit a letter yesterday,telling her one of her minions has lost Marians pardon, and could she bring another one over when she comes a calling, we cant wait for her reply..Tain bo and John have sent me the fare for a flight to America for Larry, they reckon the lad will right at home in DISNEY WORLD..I,m away to Ballyshannon in the sunshine to remember Rory Gallagher and lie in a boat for a few days .drown a few worms and chase a sheep or two..

Marty ask them can i visit America in yer next let...

2012-06-01T08:44:17.201+01:00

Marty
ask them can i visit America in yer next letter lol

point of no return?? could that be 'reality' haha

Reply from 10 DOWNING ST; Re; the internment of M...

2012-05-31T13:47:04.465+01:00

Reply from 10 DOWNING ST;
Re; the internment of Marian Price.
Dear Mrs Flynn.
I am writing on behalf of the Prime Minister to thank you for your letter of 26 April
It is good of you to have taken the time and trouble to get in touch with Mr Cameron
I am afraid we are unable to address the matters you raise as these fall within the devolved responsibilities of the Northern Ireland Assembly,you may wish to contact them directly by writing to the following address;public information office,Northern Ireland Assembly,Parliament Buildings,Belfast BT43XX
yours sincerely (scrawl)
this is a reply Marie has receieved from Cameron,s office in Downing st re the continuing internment of Marian, if we are to read this correctly then the power to have Marian released Does lie in the hands of qsf and allinatrances Ford,those who masquerade as republicans in Stormont need to stop playing Nero and face this issue before we reach a point of no return.

mackers 'This really asks the question of wha...

2012-05-31T13:17:55.376+01:00

mackers

'This really asks the question of what rights people have against those who wish to use political violence. It seems to me sheer arrogance for republicans to insist on having rights to use violence over and against the wishes of those who insist on it not being used. It is like a religious mode of thought: we have the inalienable right to inflict our violent perspective on society against the wishes of those in society'.

this is where i see dissidents...its like we have the right to kill, maim, threaten everyone..PUBLICLY..but our civil rights are NOT to be messed with...yeagh right lol

From Helen McClafferty: May Priority Questions -...

2012-05-31T11:48:37.046+01:00

From Helen McClafferty:

May Priority Questions - Human Rights Issues Maghaberry Prisoners

Maureen asked the Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and Trade the steps he and his Department have taken, and are taking, in addressing the human rights conditions of prisoners in Maghaberry Prison, County Antrim, including the human rights of the prisoner who has been moved to Hydebank Prison.

... Deputy Eamon Gilmore: The issue of prisons within Northern Ireland is a devolved matter related to the Department of Justice in Northern Ireland and the Northern Ireland Prison Service. Arising from the Hillsborough Agreement of February 2010, Dame Ann Owers and the prison review team undertook a review of the prison system. In October 2011 their report made 40 recommendations on prison reform in Northern Ireland. The Minister for Justice, Mr. David Ford, MLA, has underlined his commitment to full implementation of the recommendations and has described the prison reform process as “unstoppable”. I had an opportunity to discuss the reform process with him at our most recent meeting on 20 April. . . .

. . . . Deputy Maureen O’Sullivan: The denial of medical treatment and the way in which medication has been withheld from one of the male prisoners are very serious issues. I am also aware of issues regarding the health of Marian Price. When is a royal prerogative not a royal prerogative? Is it when it suits the authorities in the North and in England? Mr. Owen Paterson, MP, has not been elected by anyone in the North and is not accountable to the electorate in the North, but he seems to be able to disregard human rights legislation and legal issues. We speak about human rights at meetings of the Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade and we take up the cases of prisoners in Bahrain, Iran and China. Yet, this is happening up the road and is an urgent matter because one of the prisoners will die

Marian Price should be released immediately. Mart...

2012-05-31T11:46:24.088+01:00

Marian Price should be released immediately.

Marty,

'It dosent matter if Marian was mad bad or whatever, stupid insane it make
not the slightest difference,the fact that she AND Martin are interned is
wrong.'

I think this is the crucial point.

Larry,

'Tain Bo I wish you luck in your campaign to have Marian freed. Then you can both go
around the country in fancy dress advocating a return to war.'

I have once heard Tain Bo argue for a return to war. In fact I believe he has counseled strongly against any such thing.

Larry, 'if a former lifer or pardoned prisone...

2012-05-31T11:45:20.389+01:00

Larry,

'if a former lifer or pardoned prisoner brings attention to themselves associating with 'terrorists' their license is liable to be revoked. Where is the need for a trial?'

This is very much an endorsement of internment without trial. Surely the argument must be that the British should not have the right to do this.

'My ongoing criticism here is the total refusal of people to admit her own judgement on
the day doesn't help her case in the eyes of the neutral.'

Even if true, surely a case for the neutral to open their eyes?

John,

'For the rest: the war is not over, Gerry can't make that call; you can't
make that call. '

War is such a terrible thing that you would imagine the sane would do as much as possible to avoid it. The insane would revere war in a way that only insanity can. The people can make the call for or against war. Larry, or Gerry Adams for that matter, have more right to make a call against war than they would have to call for it. I am talking here in ethical terms not freedom of speech ones.

Larry,

'dissidents who engage in violent activities can expect to be arrested. It's their choice.'

This really asks the question of what rights people have against those who wish to use political violence. It seems to me sheer arrogance for republicans to insist on having rights to use violence over and against the wishes of those who insist on it not being used. It is like a religious mode of thought: we have the inalienable right to inflict our violent perspective on society against the wishes of those in society.

It is a power republicans should not have. In my view republicanism should be rights driven not power driven.

'As for protesting on behalf of people I don't agree with; no way.'

This leads to the dangerous situation of rights being applied to only those who agree with us.

Ian Brady is a fiend but I supported the journalists who campaigned against the way he was treated by his jailors. I hardly agree with the loyalists who were in court a while back on the evidence of supergrasses but I back the acquittal. I think it vitally important that such a verdict was delivered. Law enforcement should not have such dubious powers. It undermines any rights culture.

I know this perspective is hard to hold to. At least I find it that way but a rights culture is constructed so as to constrain us and give people rights against us.

'People are more angry at dissident antics than with their treatment i believe.'

I think this is reflected in the degree of support for the PSNI and lack of it for the dissidents. Dissidents need to consider this rather than wish it away because they don't like it.

Larry /John Why are we being left out of the apo...

2012-05-31T11:02:05.252+01:00

Larry /John
Why are we being left out of the apologises piece of the post least you forget we out here also read the Blog . But its nice to see you guys soften up on each other ,but hell don’t go all soppy on us.

John cheers for that. You weren't wrong. You&#...

2012-05-31T00:27:00.114+01:00

John
cheers for that. You weren't wrong. You're faith is genuine. It's too easy for me to be fecetious, being totally cynical myself. But at times it was way too much...

Larry, That is not all you are saying that is all ...

2012-05-30T23:22:25.930+01:00

Larry,
That is not all you are saying that is all you can put together and keep repeating.
Perhaps you should go after the Simpsons producers or maybe in your strange world of justice you could somehow mange to link Marian Price to this.
Bart Simpson and the IRA:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnsIxA75VTU

The character Homer is as interesting as his namesake was wise.

Larry, 'Price, also known by her married name...

2012-05-30T23:06:00.939+01:00

Larry,

'Price, also known by her married name Marian McGlinchey, was to have appeared before Belfast Crown Court where she faces a charge of providing a mobile phone to the gang responsible for the killings of Sappers Patrick Azimkar and Mark Quinsey at Massereene barracks in Antrim in 2009'.

Allegedly providing as to my knowledge she has not been proven guilty and convicted in a court of law.
You again display your personal hatred and ignorance in what you see as a justification for your idiocy.

Larry, endearing indeed but I done the quick math...

2012-05-30T23:05:20.976+01:00

Larry,

endearing indeed but I done the quick math on the chance or probability of your strange fantasy becoming a reality and the numbers safely return highly improbable.

However, amusingly if such a tour did occur I would definitely make an imaginary stop along the way
to view a fictional character the pinball wizard just out of curiosity to see if he is still bent over propping up his beloved Owen Patterson which would probably explain the pain in the wizards rectum.

Even your insults are dull.

“i wish you luck in your campaign to have Marian freed. Then you can both go around the country in fancy dress advocating a return to war.”

Anthony It would have been more humane and kinder ...

2012-05-30T22:20:06.573+01:00

Anthony It would have been more humane and kinder if they had entered the hospital wing and put a pillow over those poor lads heads.

Marty, yes, we must allow for the possibility of ...

2012-05-30T21:42:16.188+01:00

Marty,

yes, we must allow for the possibility of Pearse being wrong. No man is infallible. But then, I am not a fan of Pearse. All that red wine of the battlefield blood does nothing for me.

Itsjustmacker

this is not a republican blog but a general blog and people are free to comment about what they please and how they please, be it gays, religion or anything else. And you are free to comment about the detention of Sharon Rafferty and arouse interest in readers by doing so. The blog does not try to force unity of purpose. It merely allows a free discussion of ideas.

John/Larry, good approach. No need for apologies....

2012-05-30T21:37:03.937+01:00

John/Larry,

good approach. No need for apologies. It happens. No saints here! But it does help when people pull back

Larry,

when you sit down and read the history of Operation Barbarossa it really puts war into context. It should always be something of last resort. Unfortunately for republicans here many of them see it as something of first resort. And much of it has been inherited from what the Adams leadership preached.

Marty,

Who could write a dissertation saying they believe the Committee narrative and come out credible? They would be sent home with a dunce's hat. There may well be a case that can be made on behalf of the Committee but up until now those making it have failed hopelessly.

Richard remained determined throughout and was not about to allow the thugs to silence him. Now he has won the argument. It could have been so much different had his detractors come out and admitted a tactical error. But they way they sought to gut him signaled that if they could treat him that way they would hardly refrain from treating the hunger strikers with a similar disdain. Now it is too late for them. Too many people believe they entered the prison hospital on July 5, 1981 with a pillow and smothered the boys. Even if they didn't they have left it too late to retrieve. The exposure on this issue is probably the main reason Morrison is working with/alongside the Brits in trying to have the tapes turned over.

Thanks Larry. I was wrong to take things so person...

2012-05-30T20:32:47.616+01:00

Thanks Larry. I was wrong to take things so personally as I did and I apologise for the personal insults, against the good advice of Alfie.

Time to move on and concentrate on getting the POWs out, and the Brits out of Ireland, by one means or another.

Free Marian Price now!

http://youtu.be/cySnG42s0lE

2012-05-30T15:09:43.562+01:00

http://youtu.be/cySnG42s0lE

thinkin of changing my blogger ID to 'NOT THE ...

2012-05-30T13:48:10.065+01:00

thinkin of changing my blogger ID to 'NOT THE PINBALL WIZZARD' ffs.

Tain Bo 'Price, also known by her married nam...

2012-05-30T13:45:36.761+01:00

Tain Bo

'Price, also known by her married name Marian McGlinchey, was to have appeared before Belfast Crown Court where she faces a charge of providing a mobile phone to the gang responsible for the killings of Sappers Patrick Azimkar and Mark Quinsey at Massereene barracks in Antrim in 2009'.