Comments on The Pensive Quill: From Insurgency to Identity

It was all downhill once the Belfast clique persua...

2012-10-07T20:34:49.928+01:00

It was all downhill once the Belfast clique persuaded the Movement to ditch Eire Nua.

itsjustmaker- You have a one eyed unionist lookin...

2012-09-22T13:28:45.998+01:00

itsjustmaker-

You have a one eyed unionist looking for you- with a block of wood in one hand and a belt buckle in the other you took him out [ well you took one eye out ] lol-

itsjustmacker, Apologies, I thought you were sayin...

2012-09-22T12:32:52.260+01:00

itsjustmacker,
Apologies, I thought you were saying Keenan would have been against what was happening?
Yes those who agreed with Gerry have done considerably well for themselves.
Money laundered on a grand scale via their own personal bank accounts-
Some like McGuinness are shrewder then others though, apparently not too much of his personal fortune on show.
Something I don't agree with though, are statements that former combantants irrespective of who are what now should be held to account for activities pre-1998.
I think Sin Fein's choice to tell on Republicans is quite despicable but it is who they are, and precisely what they were bought and paid for.
Should we then reduce ourselves to their level by claiming , 'they have gotten away with this and that.'
Let them stew in their own expensive juice but don't mimic them.

truthrevisionist with the benefit of hindsight......

2012-09-22T12:09:38.251+01:00

truthrevisionist

with the benefit of hindsight...infiltrate everyone from cage 11 and let ther families away with paedofilia and basically the war is over.

Fionnuala . I know , I was trying to get the poi...

2012-09-22T11:43:04.724+01:00

Fionnuala .

I know , I was trying to get the point over , that the Gullible were taken in by that announcement.

itsjustmacker, I meant at the time that statement ...

2012-09-22T00:02:43.952+01:00

itsjustmacker,
I meant at the time that statement was made there were no dissenting voices.
Anyone who was going to muddy the waters had the proverbial heave ho!
All of those on board when that statement was made were with Adams and prepared to go along and fully implement the agreement and that included the person who made the statement.

Niall. Mostly everything in your post, I agree wi...

2012-09-21T21:19:37.256+01:00

Niall.

Mostly everything in your post, I agree with, except, "they were never and still are not that intelligent to have the ability to do so" , This is how inteligent they were,(With the help of MI5 of course) They planned there takeover well in advance, The whole top echelon of PSF took over the Northern Command of P.I.R.A. not just Belfast, Then they had the audacity to pretend the would ask P.I.R.A. for a ceasefire, then , call a halt (cessation) of Armed struggle and to dump arms and then to pretend to ask P.I.R.A. to Hand over all arms for destruction, My point is Niall, they were talking to themselves, and, every logical dissenter republican knows this, so did the British, who told them the actions to take.

Dixie.

They rose from Shite into a pot of British Gold, I know exactly were you are comming from, It Beggars belief, but the logical explanation must be, The Bank Job money was well spread out, I don't know your source of income, but mine is a basic state pension, with a little pension credit, My stomach churns when i see people who never had a job in their whole life running a big business, having a big fancy house, two cars would be a minimum, its not just Derry Dixie, it even spills into the 26 counties, owning carparks, Mansions, Hotels etc. wtf, they have gotten away with MURDER, and , they are well protected by the British and Eire Governments who have no intention of implementing anything which was agreed upon regarding offences prior to 1998 (Got Fuck All) , as you know Dissenters are being arrested , Interned, and the key thrown away, to add insult to injury , Maghaberry Was suppossed to get the latest Body scanner, as agreed with the Protesting Prisoners, and, The british makes sure that it went to another prison as a trial, thats called Rubbing salt into the wounds, Also, Spies in abundance , the British have well thought that one out, They call it Confusing.com, Naming genuine Republicans as spies for assasination to cover the real spies, What can be done about it?, I will not state what i would be doing on any blogging forum, but I'm happy with my meagre Pension Because, my hands and mind are clean. But i will say this, What Goes Around Comes Around. All the property which is owned by PSF and their little gobshite hangers on, Belongs To The I.R.A. Life to me is fantastic, why?, I DON'T HAVE ANY GUILT, Served my time as a cabinet Maker, Got sacked because an Ignorant Orange Gobshite called me a FENIAN BASTARD, the buckle of my belt stuck in his left eye, I just yanked it out taking part of his eye with it, Just because he used the Word BASTARD, thats calling my late mother a whore, I was having none of that, went to dundalk for a few years, but came back with a new identity!.

I can't talk for other areas but the amount of...

2012-09-21T19:58:25.025+01:00

I can't talk for other areas but the amount of Shinners in Derry owning several properties and living in affluent areas is breath taking.

I'm not just talking about leadership level but right down to the plasticine table of Derry SF.

That however is nothing to what the 'A' Graders own, pubs, security firms, taxi firms etc. Oh and buying property in Poland is also a nice little earner for the Derry SFers.

The question is; most of them had nothing or very little before we ever heard of the oft now used 'peace process' bollocks, therefore
where did the money come from?

Republicans didn’t do a sizable u-turn – the Belfa...

2012-09-21T16:38:26.448+01:00

Republicans didn’t do a sizable u-turn – the Belfast leadership which was compromised did the u-turn and my point is that they,being British agents, didn’t formulate a policy to steer the Republican Movement in a new direction – it was given to them by the British and therefore Beans analysis in my view is based on a false premise that the Leadership had the intelligence to formulate this u-turn independent of British influence which I, through experience, don’t believe for one minute – they were never and still are not that intelligent to have the ability to do so….because they as I stated suffer the illusion that they are of superior intelligence and also were too wrapped up in their own little parochial worlds to see outside the box . And that Fionnula is not meant as an off the cuff quip.

Fionnuala . That is one quote which sticks in my...

2012-09-21T15:54:07.440+01:00

Fionnuala .

That is one quote which sticks in my mind, I remember it as if it was yesterday, But, Hypocritical Liars think they can get away with everything they utter, which was all pre-planned to arouse the people, and at the same time, They were chuckling within themselves knowing the gullable took the bait.

Plenty of dissenters, but PSF are making sure they get lifted by grassing to PSNI/RUC. When will the learn?.

itsjustmacker, I think the, not a bullet not an ou...

2012-09-20T23:19:19.602+01:00

itsjustmacker,
I think the, not a bullet not an ounce fiasco said more than any author could.
No dissenting voices.

truthrevisionist. You are 100% correct. Now abou...

2012-09-20T20:53:57.253+01:00

truthrevisionist.

You are 100% correct.

Now about Kevin's Review.

Sinn Fein president Gerry Adams’ tribute in May to former Irish Republican Army leader Brian Keenan, in which he described Keenan as a peacemaker, revealed much about the party’s retrospective redefinition of its long struggle against British rule in Ireland. Speaking at Keenan’s funeral, Adams suggested that Keenan lived long enough to see his goals realised: ‘Achieving a power-sharing administration with the Reverend Ian Paisley as First Minister would not have been possible but for the work of Brian Keenan.’

I am at odds with the above because Kevin Staes that Adams suggested, I would like to know if those words, and, these words are actualy in the book.

"Keenan lived long enough to see his goals realised: ‘Achieving a power-sharing administration with the Reverend Ian Paisley as First Minister would not have been possible but for the work of Brian Keenan.’"

To me that is a complete load of crap, what Adams is trying to imply is, That the late Brian Keenan (R.I.P.) was in on his plan to share power with the unionists and taking seats in stormont.

Ludicrous to say the least.

Niall, I think the conclusion Kevin Bean arrived a...

2012-09-20T18:55:16.350+01:00

Niall,
I think the conclusion Kevin Bean arrived at in relation to how Republicans did a sizeable u turn sounds a lot more credible than what you said.
Maybe if you read the book you might actually find out, that Bean's credible anaylsis was arrived at through serious scrutiny and indepth research.
His claims went a great deal further than off the cuff quips or book by the cover assesments.

A great review Kevin and very well written. The ...

2012-09-20T09:22:36.360+01:00

A great review Kevin and very well written.
The only aspect of Bean’s book which I would question, based on your review as I haven’t read the book and have no intention of doing so, is that it imparts a large degree of intelligence on the leadership of the Republican movement and in doing such implies that the decision to go down its current path was made by it based on a universal perspective. I totally disagree. The leadership had become ‘compromised’ by Britain through Normalisation which let’s be honest, the activities of which didn’t involve just funding of community groups! I don’t believe for one minute that the Leadership had a universal eye especially since most of it was from West Belfast and we all know how parochial they are – for goodness sake, they carry their passports, most likely British these days, but they carry their passports every time they cross the West Link!!!! There were never any great universal thinkers in the Republican Movement over the last 30 years of the profundity implied….what there was, was a glut of those who suffered from illusory superior intelligence that was easily compromised. I know, for I have met them.
By compromising the leadership the British were free to steer it in whatever direction they wished it to go. Denis Donaldson proved that. And he wasn’t acting alone. All the talk about hard negotiations for the GFA, St Andrews or the Belfast Accord – whatever you want to call it – were anything but that for Donaldson and his likes had been compromised for years before and had steered the leadership to where it ended up and during these ‘hard fought’ discussions the British were aware of every step for they were steering it along……very little to do with this universal perspective of the decline of the left. The British, and we have to acknowledge how successful they have been, completely exonerated themselves of all blame for the Troubles here through their revisionism of their role which is acceptable by mostly all of the people here now have simply walked away with their occupation fully vindicated. To try and paint it as a profound political decision by the Republican Movement is a great injustice to those who know 2+2=4 and not 5. Once a leadership is compromised those who compromised it can achieve anything and paint it in whatever way they feel apt to do so.

Perhaps as an Addendum to Kevin's excellent sy...

2012-09-19T22:17:32.723+01:00

Perhaps as an Addendum to Kevin's excellent synopsis we might, with the benefit of hindsight,add:

Perpetuation of Diplock courts.

Internment without trial.

Silence on 'dirty protests' and 'hungerstrikes.

Facilitation of contentious orange marches.

RUC/PSNI collaboration and recruitment.

Royal approval and 'forelock tugging'

and of course.....

General Amnesty for all senior PSF 'TOUTS'

Ahhh... The Politics of Treachery.

He could even rename it 'The Great Rock and Roll Six County Swindle.'