Comments on The Pensive Quill: Making a Bad Situation Worse

British government allowed company to export nerve gas chemicals to Syria while civil war was raging

Have to say I have begun to wonder might all the i...

2013-09-01T00:11:59.929+01:00

Have to say I have begun to wonder might all the illegal social network spying that they are engaged in have alerted the USA/UK axis of deception and evil to their ever increasing unpopularity at home as well as globally. Not to mention the Iraq debacle. People have gotten to the stage they believe nothing from these scoundrels.

All the revelations about the 'dirty-war' here and elsewhere down the decades may have perhaps undermined their iron grip on media outlets post 9/11. In spite of the majority of journalists crawling shamelessly to the governments commands people have developed their own method of assessing what is going on.

Reminds me a bit of a programme I watched about old 1930s Hollywood movies where the man had to have one foot on the floor in all bedroom scenes to pass the censor. Imaginative double meaning and innuendo were inserted by directors which the audiences got and knew, providing added entertainment and preventing the movies from being cut and rendered unwatchable. It has become almost the same process in reverse in reading through the blatant lies pumped into our living rooms daily on news channels in 2013 just to decipher the shit we are to endure.

AND PEOPLE ARE PAYING TV LISENCES. CHRIST!!!

Honestly not sure what happened, but both the USA/UK are so tarnished and discredited now they should do NOTHING for a decade and give planet earth a much needed break...AMEN.

Here here Larry. The CIA and MI5 done this no doub...

2013-08-31T22:44:28.043+01:00

Here here Larry. The CIA and MI5 done this no doubt, just as they orchestrated the Houla and Hama massacres - the two effective war crimes Assad stands accused of. In both instances those of a pro-West disposition sent there to find the evidence that would allow for military intervention could not determine if it was the regime or the Takfiri-Salafist terrorists. Why? Because it was NOT the regime but the professional killers being armed and funded by the West through KSA and the Prince of Qatar. And all to blame it on Assad, to justify even more and even greater foreign intervention - for make no mistake the Brits, Zionist occupiers of Palestine and Uncle Sam have been on the ground here for a long, long time. Now we have Bandar Bush - so-called because his family is so close to the Nazi Bush political dynasty that he and good old GW palled about as children when he would visit the Bush family homestead in Texas - being linked to the chemical attack. The scum bastards who sit in the Pentagon and Langley and think up such vile, debased, devious schemes are more than capable of this do not fool yourselves! They have no value, none whatsoever, on a human life. Because we are dealing with sociopathic madmen. The difference now and the time of Iraq is that public opinion has become more important thank fuck. Had it not the Cruise missiles would already be raining down on the poor souls of Damascus, sent there quite happily and oblivious to the human suffering of the ordinary people of Syria by these rogue terrorists sociopathic monsters who as Larry says are the greatest threat to stability in the world today. John Kerry's diatribe yesterday was absolutely disgusting but shouldn't surprise us. What was refreshing was to see from social network, political bloggers and even some mainstream outlets that this time their filthy lies have not worked. And yes indeed Lar quite looking forward to seeing ye tomorrow also!

MH Couldn't agree more. He is dumping the up...

2013-08-31T20:12:09.252+01:00

MH

Couldn't agree more. He is dumping the upcoming latest war-crime on the American people via Congress. I hope with all my heart the American public put the fear of God into their Congressmen. The country is in a mess, criminal bankers having a laugh and countless amputees in every village and town from Afghan and Iraq and Obama is begging (cringe) for more war.

I believe the USA supplied the chemicals and I think the UN inspectors being refused permission to ascertain who fired them is proof of it. The Syrian army has victory in hand and the USA wants an excuse to cripple the Syrian military before it can push its victory home.

Perhaps the USA has caught a glimpse of itself in the 'global mirror' and seen just how UGLY it has become. A GLOBAL MENACE.

C'mon all you Americans, get busy on the phones, now is your chance to correct some of the global negativity towards your country.

Michaelhenry, dare the French after their disgra...

2013-08-31T20:05:44.163+01:00

Michaelhenry,

dare the French after their disgraceful stance on Rwanda. There, their intervention was timed to facilitate the escape of the Hutu Power perpetrators of genocide. It aided Théoneste Bagosora, a much worse war criminal than Assad, and the effective mind behind the genocide.

Just watched Obama live on sky-I think he has sh1t...

2013-08-31T19:47:39.033+01:00

Just watched Obama live on sky-I think he has sh1t himself-a American president on his last term is now leaving the decision about bombing another nation up to Congress-i think the brits have showed a way out for Obama and he's made a grab for it with both slimy hands-cant see the dumb French bombing by themselves now-talk about egg left on faces-its a large omelette that has dropped on them-

Mackers 'On the drink tonight again. But I ca...

2013-08-31T10:43:38.555+01:00

Mackers

'On the drink tonight again. But I can't blame Sean Bres. I just like the drink! Not that drunk that I will stick my oar in and make an incoherent point'.

Wimp!! Sure yer no man at all until ye can celebrate graduation by locking yerself in the flat for 3 days with 2 cases of 'probably' and 2 barrack-busters of cider and the computer ON. Then spend a month with yer head under the pillow grinding yer teeth at what ye wrote. Grow a pair ffs!!

Is this UN meapons inspection not a rigged event. I mean WHY do the yanks insist the DON'T indicate who used the weapons, just verify that they were used?

DISGUSTING, and the media playing it's full part in the charade AGAIN. Recon the loyalists have the right idea regarding journalists. (and no, I'm not drinking at the moment)

Sean Bres

Defamation of character will get ye everywhere, see you tomorrow.

Frankie, will I survive the experience? That sou...

2013-08-31T09:55:58.840+01:00

Frankie,

will I survive the experience? That sounds like an Orange Order attempt on my life!!

Sean, \like lots of things it seemed a good idea...

2013-08-31T09:50:36.178+01:00

Sean,

\like lots of things it seemed a good idea ... at the time. But ...

Alec,

I always had something about the house and you wouldn't look at it in the house.

It is not a good idea if you are bringing down the weight. It leads to head in the fridge syndrome.

Too much whiskey, I'd say. Get on the wagon ol...

2013-08-31T00:49:29.553+01:00

Too much whiskey, I'd say. Get on the wagon old hand.

And I reckon if Lar was there the whole thing woul...

2013-08-31T00:10:00.106+01:00

And I reckon if Lar was there the whole thing would have degenerated by 2am and we'd be out on the street!

Wish I could join ye Mackers, doubt Carrie'd b...

2013-08-31T00:07:56.661+01:00

Wish I could join ye Mackers, doubt Carrie'd be down shouting at us to get up to bed, it half 7, the two boys locked and in the middle of a complete twisting session!

The crux of the difference here is whether Assad i...

2013-08-31T00:05:23.167+01:00

The crux of the difference here is whether Assad is deserving of support. I get totally what Sean is saying and I think others do as well. I support his contention that the immediate future of Syrian sovereignty is directly linked to the governments ability to win the war. This seems a no brainer. Reform of the politcal system must come from within the counrty and not as the result of froeign intervention.

I am still to be convinced of Assad's war crimes as I have not been able to source anything to support it. Perhaps this has more to do with my poor use of goggle and computer ignorance. What I will not deny is the nepotistic character of the regime and probable human rights abuse. Evidence of greater crimes will prove me worng.

Regime change has become a euphemism for naked foreign agression. It hides behind a pseudo democractic veneer to fool the people. But its true meaning has been exposed in countries like Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya where it has brought nothing only suffering and civil war. America and Britian have nothing to offer the Syrian people that would ultimately improve their situation.

Change within Syria must come from the sovereign people deciding the own affairs.

On the drink tonight again. But I can't blame ...

2013-08-30T21:59:14.101+01:00

On the drink tonight again. But I can't blame Sean Bres. I just like the drink! Not that drunk that I will stick my oar in and make an incoherent point.

Organised Rage Absolutely, work away. I don'...

2013-08-30T21:36:44.214+01:00

Organised Rage

Absolutely, work away.

I don't think the authorities in the UK/USA actually believe their own propaganda and junk for a minute. They are acting contemptuously in the USA knowing their own supporters/cheerleaders don't believe the lies either but obviously find it amusing that those who rationally oppose them can do nothing about their evil. Westminster MPs seem to have gotten a career ending wake-up call of some sort though which is welcome.

Only one member of Parliament seemingly has a child in the armed forces, but just about all of them are fiddling their expenses. Yep, lets send our kids to Syria to sacrifice limbs and lives to keep the likes of Eton and Harrow kiddies safe in their beds.

John Kerry is indicative of how no amount of incinerating babies and entire Asian villages can satiate the American desire for killing and war. Simply stunning in the hypocrisy and evil of his stance. And at his age.

"REMEBER, it is WE who are the most brainwash...

2013-08-30T18:31:25.802+01:00

"REMEBER, it is WE who are the most brainwashed people on earth."

Larry

Good point, if you do not mind I will tuck that away and use it some time.

It’s beginning to look like the USA will be flexin...

2013-08-30T18:25:02.527+01:00

It’s beginning to look like the USA will be flexing its might alone as it seems wiser heads prevail.
The media hype might just have backfired as a result it is reminiscent of the cold war era as it looks like they are wanting a proxy war with their old red enemies.
The big question now is will they strike out of bravado or will they shy away in which case their enemies will view them as weak.
One would think after the last to ventures into the Middle East they would by now know they can’t be the strong arm world police.
It does look like they have put their back against a wall as they scramble for support from allied nations.
I doubt if their interest in Syria is humanitarian as their eyes are looking a little south to a major interest the Suez Canal a vital trade artery.
If they strike Syria is it just target practice just in case Egypt boils over into all out civil war?

Be careful what you swallow from western media. My...

2013-08-30T10:50:53.024+01:00

Be careful what you swallow from western media. My wife tells me the Philippine people would love to have Marcos back in the morning. It was a sentiment I encountered all the time on my visits there.

The bottom line was he actually did things for the people. Hospitals, schools, universities, roads, jobs etc. Obviously something wasn't to the liking of the yanks. They did what they always do, ran a media slur campaign and ousted him. Aquino did nothing for the people. She was another 'yes we can' 'change' bull-shitter. She is hated now by the people who were just sold another American dream/lie. A yank proclaimed in a bar in Manila. 'we saved these people from communism man'!! I said 'saved? ffs look around you, at least under China or Russia they'd have apartments and not be living in plywood sheds'. He was going to start a fight over it, but thought better of it, there were other leprechauns there who's also had enough of his huge fucking mouth! Thinking on it now, it was a chance wasted we should have put him in traction the scum bastard.

We know absolutely nothing about what is going on in other countries and the proof of that is in the blatant lies that we can all see clean through daily on our tv, which the USA/UK expect us to take as our truth. What else then is untrue? Just about EVERYTHING I suggest.

I hope the Westminster vote yesterday against attacking Syria is a sign that people on the ground in the UK have made it clear to their MPs that this time will be a bridge too far and the end of their political careers.

REMEBER, it is WE who are the most brainwashed people on earth. NOT North Korean's, Iranians or people in the Philippines or Syria. People know what is going on in their own countries, but the evil axis of the USA and anyone who will give them political cover for their despicable deeds is impossible to stop. SHAMELESS.

So, what the hell do we know? I know nothing of the internal affairs of Syria. Leave it to themselves to fix if they can.

Bourbon........Try this Anthony. Next time you tak...

2013-08-30T09:21:51.556+01:00

Bourbon........Try this Anthony. Next time you take a 'sup of whusky' drink some orange juice before you sleep and first thing in the morning.

As for Al Qaeda/Rebels in Syria..Started of as a computer database

Sean, I did enjoy the bourbon but I'm not enj...

2013-08-30T07:44:27.247+01:00

Sean,

I did enjoy the bourbon but I'm not enjoying it now the morning after.

Mick I'm only seeing your comment now having r...

2013-08-29T23:22:02.404+01:00

Mick I'm only seeing your comment now having read over this evening's contributions - just in from football. I do not expect the Syrian people to put up with something we would not tolerate ourselves, the principle point I stand behind is that they are in a life and death struggle for the very fabric of their own society, imperfect as that may be, and as such victory for the Assad regime is the only viable mechanism not only for progress but for survival. And as such then we should support the regime. This is the source of Anthony's ire because I said on another occasion words to the effect of "long live the resistance of Hezbollah, long live Bashar al-Assad, long live Syria". Perhaps I was overzealous but it was in the context of the criminal manipulations Syria has experienced and continues to experience because of the activities of MI5/CIA/Mossad and in the context that unless the axis I referred to with my 'long-live' sentiment emerges victorious that Syria will become another Iraq, another Libya - a failed state torn to pieces by extreme, wanton and murderous violence and a once-functioning society absolutely ripped apart in a horror show we would never want visited on our own. In a perfect world things would be just as you and Tony argue but unfortunately this is not a perfect world and in this instance it's complicated by a series of extremely complex contributing factors - you know this as well as I do.

Anthony are you telling me that Bashar al-Assad ordered the rape of these women, that it was systematic? How can you really say that, you don't know that at all. This man is a progressive by the standards of the Middle East and certainly by the standards of the thug, facist killers of Washington, London and Paris. But that does not preclude the reality that he is also capable of corruption. Of course he is. Nor does it preclude the reality that he is but one man in a system. A powerful figure in that system yes but Bashar al-Assad is not the singular personification of Ba'ath rule. Which is why I believe the man is in favour of change but simply can't come out and call for it, to leave himself exposed to those who would lets say "not be happy" at the loss of their position and privilege if events moved on the ground to quickly for their liking. We only need to look at what is happening with Tamarod in Egypt and the coup d'etat that brought in the stooge El-Sisi. Just to be clear I'm under no illusions as to the activities of the secret police, the beatings, the tortures. But the war crimes? That's another story. You made the comparison with Chile earlier but when Allende was deposed in a military coup he had risen to power through the existing Chilean constitution - Nixon and the Generals massacred thousands to do away with him. Assad did not kill thousands of people and overturn the Syrian constitution to come to power, like Allende he achieved his office through the existing constitutional structures - no matter how vile we may or may not find them. There's a world of difference here as far as I'm concerned. Enjoy the bourbon anyway a chara... Gonna get a read here at the latest upload from Lamb, his stuff is impressive

Frankie: Nothing surprises me anymore. Anthony: ...

2013-08-29T22:31:35.170+01:00

Frankie:

Nothing surprises me anymore.

Anthony:

I agree with that Tory MP.

US 'backed plan to launch chemical weapon attack on Syria, blame it on Assad govt'

Dated 30th Jan 2013....

Makes you think..(makes me at least)..

Before I claer off having just uploaded ranklin La...

2013-08-29T21:07:45.316+01:00

Before I claer off having just uploaded ranklin Lamb, a Tory MP was on the news there and he posed the very simple question: what was in it for the Syrian regime if it used gas? Nothing that he could see.

Alec, the problem with pulling comments is that i...

2013-08-29T20:30:09.469+01:00

Alec,

the problem with pulling comments is that it ruins discussion.

I shouldn't even be on now but another piece has to be formatted - so much for my bourbon.

The evidence is so frequent that citing it seemed superflous. It is like saying Adams is a liar. It is such a given we presume nobody any longer needs persuaded.

As a quickie just read Fisk, even casually. Assad is not one of the war criminals I would watch in the sense that I have Bagosora or Videla, but the old reliables have put enough out there to make the mark. If it was Fox News puting it out we would switch off.

I don't disagree with you on intervention. As you say we have debated it for years and in particular around Rwanda. It is just that when I look at all the countries selected for intervention, the case seems to fall. Humanitarian military intervention must trump national sovereignty in the circumstances you outlined. It is just finding the conditions that fit. Rwanda was perfect - one radio station bombed could have prevented the half of it in some estimates.

But the US cannot seriously call for democracy in Syria and allow Saudi Arabia to continue. It is all guff.