tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post6230677935505714255..comments2013-01-28T17:59:03.519ZAMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-79347384426943315692013-01-28T16:23:36.281Z2013-01-28T16:23:36.281ZMcCartney like so many of the others has been compromised so his repsonse is along the lines of comformity to the new NI - once I looked up to people like him now I don&#39;t look down, I simply look away with embarrassment. Niallhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06013400649117430986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-83029799406822315492013-01-09T23:30:52.753Z2013-01-09T23:30:52.753ZAnthony:<br /><br />&quot;<i>I think that is because of the negative inflexion it has acquired. I think it is an honourable term.</i><br /><br />Each to there own, I look at at differently , to me you can be a dissenter without be tagged as a dissident because to me dissident is flagged with ARMED GROUP.itsjustmackerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14443285690765886118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-79573899626961240442013-01-09T21:19:34.726Z2013-01-09T21:19:34.726ZNo Bottle at Yellow Ford<br /><br />Itsjustmacker,<br /><br /><i>I detest the word Dissident, I would prefer the word, dissenters,</i><br /><br />I think that is because of the negative inflexion it has acquired. I think it is an honourable term.AMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-22413132962801249382012-12-12T14:13:14.807Z2012-12-12T14:13:14.807ZI know at least one person that binned the census form and refused to participate.<br /><br />A census does not fulfil entilement to a referendum on the future of this part of Ireland. rather than a religious head count why is nt a referendum held?<br /><br />A border poll was mentioned in the GFA but it must be santioned by a British appointed secretary of state?<br /><br />I would register to vote in a border poll,though I doubt I will have to any time soon.<br /><br />I dont buy all this politicing by SF and Unionist politicians. They believe people can be turned off and on like lights and they only believe this because the actions of thier respective supporters would indicate to them they are willing to be turned on or of.This is digusting practice and leaves the extremes of thier support base exposed to losing its way and setting themselves up for thier own ondoing.i.e. Turkeys voting for Christmas.<br /><br />The present indication coming from the unionist community is that they wont be going into any united Ireland,no matter the outcome of any democratic process (referendum).<br /><br />SF have failed to have the British held to account for its commitments to hold 6 public inquiries into murders like that of PF. Therefore based on that evidence It is unlikely they will be able to bring about any border poll.Feel te lovehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17281999605534185574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-57961542325804200852012-12-12T11:14:20.745Z2012-12-12T11:14:20.745ZRyan et&#39; all<br /><br />Exciting times indeed. I do believe SF electoral experience will be a plus &#39;come the day&#39;. Also of course the south will need to get its house back in order. What it is doing now is proof that they can survive a megga crisis. A strong Europe will be a big part in the poll when it comes. <br /><br />Scotland&#39;s referendum will be interesting too very soon, maybe a booster, but not for those confuzzed layalists here. Israel might adopt them they are still building settlements!. The wee ulster huns can pretend it&#39;s the 1609 plantations in the sun.<br /><br />It will be very confusing for the Brits in the north East of Ireland when they see Scotland independant too. WHATEVER WAS IT ALL ABOUT? Oh aye self interest and evil!<br /><br />Absolutley no doubt in my mind it will be a sectarian headcount when it comes. Bring it on, those who lived by the sword shall die by it also.<br /><br />The UK economy isn&#39;t exactly a pretty picture either by the way. So, with a full euro-zone backing it will be adios, chow, sionara, paalan (Philippine good RC fenian country) slan and fuck-aff back to wherever spawned ye if your determined NOT to be Irish. <br /><br />Michaelhenry<br /><br />Totally agree with you on the stats.<br />yipidedooda!!!<br /><br /><br />Robert<br /><br />&#39;The Prod - Taig yardstick is an outdated form of measurement.&#39;<br /><br />Smacks of desperation methinks old chap.<br /><br />Is that why the Orange Order can&#39;t enjoy a good day out without marching through or past a fenian area?<br /><br />keep funding that shower of dung, they are going to do the job for us AGAIN!! SF whatever ye do PROTECT the 11 month marching season...yehaa!!<br /><br /><br />larry hugheshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09837849309156970989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-89439687659273174102012-12-12T09:53:26.236Z2012-12-12T09:53:26.236ZThat question in the census form was a multiple choice one the result which will be open to interpretation and which I really dont believe amounts to a hill of beans,if come the day the &quot;magic number&quot;of 50%plus 1 arrives and the result of a democratic vote is for reunification,given the reaction to the democratic vote taken in Belfast over the flying the butchers apron,can you imagine the reaction of those democrats to the thought of having Amhrán na bhFiann as their national anthem, one thing for sure either those community workers are dealt with in an effective manner or they ship out,if not the streets here will run with innocent blood,getting the national question out of the way would also help get rid of the leeches ,gangsters who pose and are paid as community workers on both sides of this community and allow real working class leaders unite around real working class issues and for the first time in this countrys history the boss man wouldnt be able to play the sectarian card putting worker against worker.martyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09814904389826171437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-23749927878320402982012-12-11T23:50:48.717Z2012-12-11T23:50:48.717Zitsjustmacker,<br /><br />The right to protest, even against democratically arrived at decisions, which the removal of the Union flag from city hall was, is a cornerstone of a democracy. Tory cuts are democratically arrived at. That in no way invalidates resistence to them or the right to protest against them.<br />The violence that has accompanied many of the protests cannot be justified. Roberthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10522188005971742857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-91346072976412141722012-12-11T23:37:43.958Z2012-12-11T23:37:43.958ZRobert-<br /><br />I have been called worse old hand-<br />Trimble had no power to call a border poll-you unionists and your big heads-We took your rag down from the mast [ for a few days anyway ]-michaelhenryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02922594308606665908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-52355554478053196722012-12-11T23:36:36.104Z2012-12-11T23:36:36.104ZRyan.<br /><br />I agree with you 100% in reference to Sinn Fein knowing what they are doing and their electioneering prowess, They had a deal in 1975 from The British and declined it, then in 1981 they allowed Hunger strikers to suffer a horrific Death to further there pre planned political agenda and accepted the same deal they were offered in 1975, Ok, they are doing fine in the 26 counties, winning safe seats, but please don&#39;t forget, those shinners in the north have accepted British Rule and British Policing, The Deputy first Minister, the one and only Marty Boy Mc Guinness stated that, &quot;Our Police are being attacked&quot;, referrng to the British PSNI/RUC. Those same police were in Ardoyne Banging on peoples doors and warning them if the continued to demonstrate against Loyalist Bands parading past Ardoyne shops they would be arrested , SF would sell there own mother for a vote. itsjustmackerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14443285690765886118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-26066327754480490042012-12-11T23:05:53.471Z2012-12-11T23:05:53.471ZMichael,<br /><br />As someone who&#39;s alma mater appears to have been the Encyclopedia Thickanica your interpretation of statistical data comes with little credibility.<br /><br />As I recall, your party leader was offered a border poll by Trimble but baulked. <br /><br /><br />Roberthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10522188005971742857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-69618069559775244752012-12-11T22:33:12.986Z2012-12-11T22:33:12.986ZI agree Larry, the numbers look promising. It&#39;s exciting news. The one caveat is the Free State will have to get its act together and economic house in order before a majority agree to join them. One thing about SF is their great electioneering prowess. They would do a good job of getting out the pro United Ireland vote. They know what they&#39;re doing when it comes to elections.Ryanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05263777399426493919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-73947917918541286462012-12-11T22:26:29.573Z2012-12-11T22:26:29.573ZRobert.<br /><br />The census reveals 48% of the resident population are either Protestant or brought up Protestant, a drop of 5% from the 2001 census.<br /><br />45% of the resident population are either Catholic or brought up Catholic, an increase of 1%.<br /><br />Seems to me a 5% exodus and a 1% influx, though in reality, 6% of Northern Catholics have left since 1970, thus beating the 5% exodus of the Protestant population, but looking on the bright side of things, its a big difference of a 2/3rds loyalist majority from the auld days. &quot;Rule Britannia&quot;?, the fat lady is seething at her LOYAL ULSTER PROTESTANT SUBJECTS attempting to MURDER her LOYAL POLICE OFFICERS and threatening to MURDER HER LAWFULLY ELECTED MP&#39;s/MLA&#39;s , oh, I have included Nationalists MP&#39;s/MLA&#39;s in this as well,also Catholic Police officers, because they have become LOYAL SUBJECTS. But I would like your honest opinion on one matter, &quot;Do you agree with those out demonstrating and rioting over a Union flag not being flown from Belfast City Hall every day , but will be flown on designated days as has been stipulated&quot;<br />itsjustmackerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14443285690765886118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-66641481939738439382012-12-11T22:25:26.536Z2012-12-11T22:25:26.536ZLarry,<br /><br />&#39;Will Robert&#39;s wee community on this island resurrect the Larne gunrunning carry-on and will the Brits facilitate them?&#39;<br /><br />The census confirms what the demographers have stated for some time now. The two communities are expected to remain numerically stagnant for sometime. As Anthony correctly points out a Catholic majority does not equate to inevitable unification. The Prod - Taig yardstick is an outdated form of measurement.<br /><br />Why resort to force when Unionism, anchored on the centre ground, is unassailable?<br /> <br /><br /><br /> Roberthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10522188005971742857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-40676964697597533642012-12-11T22:11:08.373Z2012-12-11T22:11:08.373ZRobert-<br /><br />40% of people consider themselves British despite protestants being 48% of the 6 county population whilst 25% are Irish and 21% say they are northern Irish-thats 46% that want the Irish title compared to the smaller 40% who want the british name-bring on the All-Ireland election-we have the numbers to win-michaelhenryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02922594308606665908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-10557060042636246182012-12-11T21:51:15.797Z2012-12-11T21:51:15.797ZAnthony.<br /><br />&quot;SF are Staters now and people have to get used to that fact.&quot;<br /><br />I knew that around about 1990, but 98 was the jewel in the crown for them with devious and well planned manipulation that&#39;s why those of us opposing them are Anti Treaty, I detest the word Dissident, I would prefer the word, dissenters, sounds more British, but they don&#39;t want to use a proper word for anything pertaining to Irish People who oppose them on our Island.<br />itsjustmackerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14443285690765886118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-26360635435086974382012-12-11T21:13:08.103Z2012-12-11T21:13:08.103Zmackers<br /><br />Either way, we are at a demographic position I never expected to see. Robert either I&#39;d hazard a guess.<br /><br />Nice to see how it plays out in the next 20 yrs. larry hugheshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09837849309156970989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-71137143277459026852012-12-11T21:06:05.535Z2012-12-11T21:06:05.535ZLarry,<br /><br />wishful thinking which we all would like to see come true but which amounts to nothing of substance. Too many Catholics are not in favour of a UI and almost all Protestants oppose it. That&#39;s as much as we know for certain. What we feel in our pooley don&#39;t much matter. The trends tell us a great deal moreAMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-27797699224280061432012-12-11T20:54:53.247Z2012-12-11T20:54:53.247Zmackers<br /><br />It is nothin to do with SF. People who wouldn&#39;t wipe SF off the bottom of their boot voted for Bobby and Owen Carron. Don&#39;t underestimate the vote if the correct groundwork is done by governments.<br /><br />I remember a Fermanagh woman during the Sands election campaign giving it the crocodile tear crap, &#39;oh i couldn&#39;t believe my decent Catholic neighbours would vote for a terrorist&#39;. And Ken Maginnis a major in the UDR and half his troops in the H - Blocks too lmao The more they bleet the more we see their teeth!<br /><br />Nope, I&#39;m confident come the day, a lot of big crows will come home to roost for the Loyalists and what they have done historically on this island. It will be laughable if they become integrationist/power-sharers now. <br /><br />People who wouldn&#39;t look at you in the street politically are still under no illusions about the Unionists/Orange Order etc. <br /><br />As De Valera said on elections.<br /><br />&#39;Every vote is as good as the crack of a riffle!&#39;<br /><br />I&#39;m beginning to believe it&#39;s coming.larry hugheshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09837849309156970989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-62138312927496294702012-12-11T20:38:14.845Z2012-12-11T20:38:14.845ZLarry,<br /><br />all the indicators point in the opposite direction. Nationalists are less opposed to remaining within the UK than unionists are opposed to a UI. But time alone will tell. And the Shinners have been right about nothing yet. AMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-31665057979052417682012-12-11T20:23:33.357Z2012-12-11T20:23:33.357ZRobert/AM<br /><br />Don&#39;t believe it for a minute. If the referendum was given after a decade of this trend continuing I recon an opportunity to give centuries of exclusion and bigotry one final boot up the hole would be grasped. My parents have their missgivings about a united Ireland and hold Brit passports. But they haven&#39;t forgotten what they endured growing up either. <br /><br />The reason the headcount is almost parity is partly due to the older Protestant population passing on to the wee empire in the sky and partly due to the ceasefire. No security jobs in RUC/RUC reserve UDR/UDR reserve, screws and service industries. So those jobs that kept the wee &#39;protestant-boys&#39; at home are no more. They also have to emigrate as wee Catholics were &#39;encouraged&#39; to do for decades.<br /><br />I am beginning to believe ... heaven forbid... Michaelhenry could be correct. Not 2016, but perhaps in the next decade we will have a referendum and when the chance to FINALLY give the wee Orange state its comeuppance arrives, it wont be missed.<br /><br />Question is. Will Robert&#39;s wee community on this island resurrect the Larne gunrunning carry-on and will the Brits facilitate them? I recon not. I think Dublin, London and Brussels will shew it in next time around.<br /><br />A NATION ONCE AGAIN!!larry hugheshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09837849309156970989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-3269750518456602122012-12-11T19:39:03.069Z2012-12-11T19:39:03.069ZRobert,<br /><br />this is pretty much the way it is unfortunately. 42 years after the Provisional IRA launched its campaign and no united Ireland in sight. Many years ago I wrote than no one who ever served in the ranks of the Provisional IRA while at war would ever live to see a united Ireland. I have seen nothing to date that would make me revise that predictionAMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-66003753709914934342012-12-11T19:30:49.830Z2012-12-11T19:30:49.830ZLarry,<br /><br />&#39;Robert if yer out there...&#39;<br /><br />Conincidently I was watching the news when I caught this. It occured to me that there is something more significant in the census data than the evident narrowing of the sectarian headcount. According to the census on national identity only 25% consider themselves Irish despite Catholics consisting of 45% of the overall population. 40% British and 21% Northern Irish. The latter statistics are what underpins N.Ireland.<br />Is Peter Robinson the only one that gets this stuff? <br /><br />&#39;The fat lady has exercised her throat and is filling her lungs for a chant&#39;<br /><br />Rule Britannia... I believe. <br /><br />Roberthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10522188005971742857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-18201927350142071002012-12-11T18:21:34.301Z2012-12-11T18:21:34.301Z<a href="http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2012/12/11/the-truth-about-alliance/#respond" rel="nofollow">title</a><br /><a href="link" rel="nofollow">funny</a><br />AMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-91658940615897876572012-12-11T18:08:03.805Z2012-12-11T18:08:03.805Z&quot;it would be inappropriate for me to comment on the specific details of the investigation other than to confirm that the prisoner has been informed that no evidence has been found to support his complaint that he was assaulted by a member of prison staff&quot;.<br /><br />Ford is basically saying, i cant comment on the investigation but i will tell you that he is lyingAn Buachaillhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06137507346060273396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-42750439528606047942012-12-11T17:52:30.713Z2012-12-11T17:52:30.713Zitsjustmacker,<br /><br />there is a Treatyite tradition in Ireland dating back to the Free State forces. It is like a spider with a web: it sits and waits and sooner or later it pulls in those from the anti-Treaty camp. Sinn Fein lost its way, realigned with its political enemies and turned against its ideological friends. SF are Staters now and people have to get used to that fact. AMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.com