Comments on The Pensive Quill: The Auld Protocols

Marty, "Robert a cara,just goes to show what...

2010-08-27T09:30:49.233+01:00

Marty,

"Robert a cara,just goes to show what a snob and how you lot have been better treated, a coal shed did you ever, we keep ours in the bath.."

A Bath no less!! You'll perhaps understand my annoyance at this startling revelation that `croppies' are in position of such mod cons. Recalling my chidhood, amongst the elite and privledged, we did'nt 'have one about the place'. No! bathtime for us was a slosh about in granny's belfast sink, affectionately referred to as the 'Jaw-Box'. "A Protestant parliament for a Protestant people" - indeed where did it all go wrong?

Nuala, they could not cope well with ridicule and ...

2010-08-26T20:37:27.203+01:00

Nuala, they could not cope well with ridicule and lots of it were heaped on them as they were stripped of the 'sacred.'

Mackers, almost lamenting their passing already, t...

2010-08-23T22:05:33.763+01:00

Mackers, almost lamenting their passing already, true they never made any serious contribution to humankind in either a religious or secular sense, but there is no denying they were always good for a laugh.

Nuala, I don't even think the Royal Family pla...

2010-08-23T20:04:34.746+01:00

Nuala, I don't even think the Royal Family play the secular religion function they used to years ago. I think in time it will probably fade out.

Robert, your figures are well out in relation to h...

2010-08-23T18:10:52.697+01:00

Robert, your figures are well out in relation to her majesty.
Latest BBC survey, reckons the royals cost us around 150 million a year, I would say you were quite wrong as was the 2008 study you quoted from.

Kinda of glad, because you really made it sound as though we should be happy to pay her our 62p or whatever the figure was.
Actually, watched a show hosted by Nicki Campbell several weeks ago, were the whole issue of what they cost the tax-payer was debated.
Two British government ministers, argued, that a special office should be set up to audit the royals spending, because of the size of their over spend.
They wanted Lizzie's spending overseen by a government department as opposed to her own accountants. (sounds dodgy)

We pay for their mega-rich lifestyles, their homes, fine foods, wines,staff, holidays abroad,clothes, security, animal torture and whatever other freebies she can get her tight little fist on, Lillibet on the other hand pays for duck all, not even 1p in tax.

They (The Brit Royals)actually cost up to ten times more than any other heads of state in Europe.
Not really what you initially made out Robert.
You sold it well though, I was nearly going to petition for two Royal families as they sounded such a bargain.

Robert a cara,just goes to show what a snob and ho...

2010-08-23T15:32:24.299+01:00

Robert a cara,just goes to show what a snob and how you lot have been better treated, a coal shed did you ever, we keep ours in the bath,you mention the civil list and quote £13.9 mill what you fail to mention a cara is the increasing protection bill for the royals which is currently increasing year on year and all the other expenses which amount to over £1oo mill a hell of a difference a cara,plus as I have already stated their financial affairs are shrouded in secrecy and exempt from the freedom of information act,WHY? and why should you be classified as a subject and not a citizen this is 2010 Robert not 1010

Marty, "..that family is more dysfunctional ...

2010-08-23T09:12:01.684+01:00

Marty,

"..that family is more dysfunctional than the Simpsons.."

Having locked the kids and mrs in the coal-shed for the night I reflected on this and came to a conclusion. They are no more dysfunctional than any of the rest of us. The total cost of the Queen's Civil List - which pays for the running of the Royal Household including staff salaries - was £13.9 million in 2008. This equates to 69p per person in the UK. Social security benefits for the same period were £152 billion.

"..acting as a tampax.."

It's a dirty job Marty but somebodys got to do it!

Larry, I have met many Polish in the course of my...

2010-08-22T23:01:41.320+01:00

Larry,

I have met many Polish in the course of my employment. On the whole very decent and ordinary folk attempting to eke out a living, like the rest of us. I have always found them to possess a healthy skepticism of politicians and in alot of cases outright contempt. Solidarity!!!

Robert The “auld protocols” good enough I get your...

2010-08-21T00:19:50.563+01:00

Robert
The “auld protocols” good enough I get your drift nothing wrong with borrowing a leaf.
As for the Free State I have my misgivings about that place…was referring to our side of the imaginary line and its non-believers.

Yes Mackers, the Polish were treated savagely. Any...

2010-08-20T11:31:24.917+01:00

Yes Mackers, the Polish were treated savagely. Any I have met have been really decent people too. Difficult to know if they carry and harbour resentment the way the Irish have always done. If they do they certainly have massive reason to. It hasn't been detectable from where I stand.

Tony Robinson of Time Team I apoligise,

2010-08-19T22:26:21.452+01:00

Tony Robinson of Time Team I apoligise,

Robert a cara Charlie is on about £18 mill a year ...

2010-08-19T21:17:43.180+01:00

Robert a cara Charlie is on about £18 mill a year or around £300k a week ffs for doing what sniffing flowers or acting as a tampax, that family is more dysfunctional than the Simpsons,the myth that the royals pay for themselves through tourism is bunkum a cara there isnt any record of how many tourists come to England just to see the royals, the security bill for their protection is over £100 mill a year,their financial affairs are shrouded in secrecy and exempt from the freedom of information act, why should you or your children have to call someone sir or lord/lady, and again why should you or any member of your family be exempt from the top post in the land because of your birth,i.e, if the head of state was a president would that not be a more democratic state,plus and finally Robert didnt Tony Robertson of Time Team fame carry out reshearch and discovered that the true monarch of England is a bloke living in Australia,drives a forklift I think, anyway when asked about coming back and making a claim for the job ,he said he was happy where he was, time to turn Lissie and the clan out into the paddock Robert,their days are past go on mate let them run free.

Marty, "Instead of arguing over whether we s...

2010-08-19T20:09:55.862+01:00

Marty,

"Instead of arguing over whether we should have a protestant, king/queen or a catholic king/queen,with the disgusting behavour of both types over the centuries,why not in this time of recession and belt tightening, dump the monarachy and the rest of the free loading b###ards"

If you look at the figures Marty, the case, economically at least, for retaining the monarchy far outways the arguments for it's abolishment.

Tain Bo, I would have to refer to the 'Auld P...

2010-08-19T20:03:17.077+01:00

Tain Bo,

I would have to refer to the 'Auld Protocols' of many here and declare that I would sign nothing!
The Act has no relevance to the Republic.

The royals and the pope just doing what they alway...

2010-08-19T13:22:09.216+01:00

The royals and the pope just doing what they always did, enjoying themselves and having a good laugh at how generation after generation of desperate eegits can be hoodwinked regardless of the evidence before their eyes.
Really, why does anyone care??

What was it the 'limeys' said about the Ya...

2010-08-19T13:20:12.855+01:00

What was it the 'limeys' said about the Yanks as they all pertied until 1944 in London, oh aye, OVER SEXED OVER PAID AND OVER HERE.

Robert “I [here insert the name of the Sovereign]...

2010-08-18T22:49:34.514+01:00

Robert

“I [here insert the name of the Sovereign] do solemnly and sincerely in the presence of God profess, testify, and declare that I am a faithful Protestant, and that I will, according to the true intent of the enactments which secure the Protestant succession to the Throne of my Realm, uphold and maintain the said enactments to the best of my powers according to law.”

I will ask if “Accession Declaration Act 1910 (c.29)” was amended to solemnly swear allegiance to a Catholic monarch under British Law would you sign it?
In fairness I would not sign it as I prefer the separation of Church and State and my opinion on monarchies is clear they are of little purpose in the modern world.

Reading that law I would think the non believers have a case for not putting on the welcome mat for a Monarch and a Law that excludes them?

Instead of arguing over whether we should have a p...

2010-08-18T22:40:39.587+01:00

Instead of arguing over whether we should have a protestant, king/queen or a catholic king/queen,with the disgusting behavour of both types over the centuries,why not in this time of recession and belt tightening, dump the monarachy and the rest of the free loading b###ards.

Tain Bo, There are historical and, in my opinion,...

2010-08-18T21:39:30.363+01:00

Tain Bo,

There are historical and, in my opinion, perfectly rational reasons for the provisions contained in the Bill Of Rights 1688, the Act Of Settlement 1700,the Act Of Unions and reinforced by the Coranation Oath Act 1680 and the Accession Declaration Act 1910.
Each time a Roman Catholic has ascended the throne it has resulted in the persecution of those who opposed Catholic beliefs and practises. Historically this has involved burning people at the stake for crimes such as the denial of papal infallibility.
In the case of the last Roman Catholic monarch, King James II, much of the provisions were enacted to prevent a repeat of his proroguing of parliament in 1685.

Good point Robert with the pesky reds knocking on ...

2010-08-18T20:27:01.747+01:00

Good point Robert with the pesky reds knocking on the door.
Oddly enough the Americans were feeding the Bear?
The Lend Lease Program introduced by Winston certainly is a twist on stopping the red invasion.

Fionnuala

The world of dignitaries being polite and orderly set the standard for us underlings we ironically end up fighting the wars they always begin.
Give her a break with all the worries she has minding her dysfunctional kids and trying to keep up with bills dogs shitting all over the house a wee break in the emerald Isle will do wonders for her.
As for us non royals we are just left to wonder what the craic is with “worshiping” these foreign idols.

Robert
There certainly would be a lot of Red Hand of Ulster flags minus the wee crown if a Kaflik became King or Queen?

Larry, Stalin certainly argued that the US and B...

2010-08-18T19:46:48.442+01:00

Larry,

Stalin certainly argued that the US and Britain (he did not like Churchill) were delaying the continental war in order to let the Russians do the worst of the fighting. But there were serious logistical problems in mounting D Day as early as Stalin wanted. The US, Brits and the rest who invaded through Normandy suffered bad casualties. Some of the fighting equalled anything on the Eastern Front. I think the most self serving act amongst the allies was Stalin's decision to abandon the Poles, allowing them to be slaughtered in Warsaw. That was to ensure a communist Europe. Yet at the Russian side during the storming of Berlin was a Polish Army.

Larry, I think your up the left on the chronology...

2010-08-18T16:48:56.242+01:00

Larry,

I think your up the left on the chronology of events during WWII.

"As for WW2 it was a German V Russian conflict. The Allies only entered belatedly to prevent a communist Europe."

The United Kingdom declared war on Germany 3rd September, 1939. The conflict between the Russians and Germans commenced on the 22nd June, 1941 following the German invasion of Russia aka 'Operation Barbarossa'.

Up here in the black north, we have orangemen cele...

2010-08-18T16:09:25.335+01:00

Up here in the black north, we have orangemen celebrating a wee gay Dutch man, now they are getting excited by the possibility of a visit by a wee German who is married to a weird Greek bloke who likes to wear Scottish kilts,whose ex daughter in law was almost married to an Arab, while a large section of citizens from the unfree state will pay loadsamoney to get to England/Scotland to see the ex nazi give them two fingers,bet none of them will leave their kids in the care of dicky dodgers or priests!!!!

I suppose one could argue that Lizzie Windsor,whos...

2010-08-18T15:57:34.990+01:00

I suppose one could argue that Lizzie Windsor,whos real name is Wettin should be entitled to visit especially the west coast, the place is full of Germans probably all relations,!!

Don't think a Royal visit to the free state wo...

2010-08-18T11:26:38.078+01:00

Don't think a Royal visit to the free state would do too much harm in this modern era. Might help people get over themselves. As for the WW2 there were ex servicemen who survived Dunkirk, D-Day and the tail end of the war only to have to do vigilante in their old age to try and prevent 'British' people burning their houses down in Armagh.
Not interested in the 'wataboutery' headcounts in WW2 air raids. Though i notice the 2 nukes went unmentioned. New weapon directed immediately at? civilians! Says it all. Bottom line is civilian/family massacres are a historical feature of Brit/yank war. As for WW2 it was a German V Russian conflict. The Allies only entered belatedly to prevent a communist Europe.