Comments on The Pensive Quill: Bigoted Brethren

Kilsally Roman = Foreign, that's the only rea...

2011-10-11T14:02:32.048+01:00

Kilsally

Roman = Foreign, that's the only reason it's used.

kilsally Dude maybe its just what you need, a goo...

2011-10-11T13:33:30.821+01:00

kilsally

Dude maybe its just what you need, a good aul piss up, take a wee break from all that order. God will forgive you, infact he'll probably not even notice. Must be the best thing about not being a Catholic, you can always count on us to take the bad look off you, when you get upstairs.

And thanks for clearing up the Roman thing, because Ardoyne and Ballymurphy are full of Anglicans.

The point is the Orange Order is not even remotely...

2011-10-11T09:39:30.001+01:00

The point is the Orange Order is not even remotely unique in this regards. Indeed at my great aunts funeral to the Presbyterian church a hindu couple and some Roman Catholics (some went in, others did not) followed the cortege but stayed outside the church whilst the service was on.

Ruairi calling people `taig` is not compatible wit...

2011-10-11T09:35:20.752+01:00

Ruairi calling people `taig` is not compatible with the qualifications of an Orangeman and despite what Nuala infers I do not drink alcohol at all. and as to `Roman Catholic`. hThe Anglican church and others also refer to themselves as being Catholic so there is more than one type hence `roman`.

Ruairi Joseph, what makes this so funny is that i...

2011-10-11T08:03:08.363+01:00

Ruairi Joseph,

what makes this so funny is that it is so true

and yeah, when they're not referring to people...

2011-10-11T04:26:53.215+01:00

and yeah, when they're not referring to people as Taigs, why do they always insist on ROMAN Catholic, is there another type of unclean that I'm not aware of. Bloody Orangeies!!!

Thing is with these Orange eejets, when they'd...

2011-10-11T04:14:15.293+01:00

Thing is with these Orange eejets, when they'd be expected to sit at peace, respectively like somebody normal in a Catholic church, and even pretend to listen like the Catholics there, shock horror!!! They want nothing to do with the lot of us.

But when they can have a good aul march and blatttter big aul drums, they can't get enough of us, can't leave us alone. Up then down your street, in the front door and up the stairs and around your bathroom if they could get away with it, with you there on your bog, caught on lovely with your rosery beeds out. Fuckin Head Cases!!!

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2011-10-11T01:18:49.674+01:00

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Kilsally, Thanks for reminding me why I don't...

2011-10-11T00:07:11.960+01:00

Kilsally,

Thanks for reminding me why I don't believe in any religion. Thank God I'm an atheist!!!

Nuala, once religion enters the fray I either swi...

2011-10-10T21:15:11.661+01:00

Nuala,

once religion enters the fray I either switch off or take a swing at it.

Mackers, it is religious fundamentalist claptrap ...

2011-10-10T20:52:37.484+01:00

Mackers,
it is religious fundamentalist claptrap don't know about the Christian part of it though.
Definitely would not fancy straying across any of them tanked up with theology and booze, doubt if any unfortunates ever survived that one.

section 408 - I am an Orangeman (and to be honest ...

2011-10-10T15:55:47.553+01:00

section 408 - I am an Orangeman (and to be honest you would be lucky to get me in an Anglican service these days let alone a Muslim or Hindu service on the same basis) and no it is not Christian fundamentalism - it is derived from basic Reformed Theology as found in the Anglican 39 articles, Presbyterian / Baptist Westminster confessions and as taught by John Calvin, John Knox and other reformers.

Section 408, 'Its Christian Fundamentalist cl...

2011-10-10T12:04:24.465+01:00

Section 408,

'Its Christian Fundamentalist claptrap.'

That is how it read to me

Kilsally Thats even more nonsense.Its Christian Fu...

2011-10-10T11:10:47.494+01:00

Kilsally
Thats even more nonsense.Its Christian Fundamentalist claptrap.Bigots are bigots.Do you honestly think that your common or garden Orangeman would stay away from any other religious ceremony because he is wishing to save the celebrants from themselves.Have you actually ever met an Orangeman ? Please don't reply because if I have to read anymore from you that will be part of my life wasted which I will never get back.May your God go with you as Dave Allen used to say but please don't go praying for my soul.I'll take my chances that there is no God or Gods.

section 408 - that is the traditional teaching of ...

2011-10-10T10:22:13.346+01:00

section 408 - that is the traditional teaching of the Protestant denominations - the Orange Order per se does not have any teachings. If you look around the internet you will find many evangelical denominations around the world preaching the same thing ( try sermonaudio.com) . But you have picked it up wrong - it is not the Orangeman`s salvation that is behind the rule(and many Orangemen are not saved and don`t go to church..but thats another matter)- it is about endorsing the other persons `fatal errors` - the point of staying away from other forms of worship - RC, Muslim, Hindu is out of love for the other people as the Christian should also be preaching the need to get saved to those other people - it is out of concern for the other peoples salvation. By attendance the thinking is that you lead other astray by endorsing the likes of purgatory, baptismal regeneration, transubstantiation and other `fatal errors` (in the case of Roman Catholicism)

Kilsally Are you really implying that your average...

2011-10-10T09:43:29.112+01:00

Kilsally
Are you really implying that your average Orangeman is so weak of spirit and self control that an hour spent at a Catholic Requiem Mass will turn him to Catholicism.A Catholic wedding will be enough to damn his soul for eternity.Just be honest , they are bigots through and through and no amount of theological claptrap will excuse their behaviour whether it involves non attendance at Catholic Services or their continued insistence to hold their triumphalistic marches through areas they are clearly not welcome in because of their sectarian beliefs and views.

Kilsally, religion itself is the fatal error. I d...

2011-10-10T09:06:32.446+01:00

Kilsally,

religion itself is the fatal error. I don't believe any amount of giving bigots cover detracts from what they do.

Belfast Gonzo,

you have it all wrong. they only abstain from liking Catholics, not boozing.

Hardly just Sandy Row. Don't forget the farmer...

2011-10-10T02:51:59.380+01:00

Hardly just Sandy Row. Don't forget the farmer(almost certainly a Unionist) telling Rihanna to cover up and find her greater god. Not being from Ireland,I have never met anyone from a Unionist/Loyalist background, but I wonder if I am missing much. They all seem frighteningly conservative right wing and humorless.

Isn't this the same 'Total Abstinence'...

2011-10-10T02:09:18.078+01:00

Isn't this the same 'Total Abstinence' lodge that has a bar in its Orange hall?

this is the actual crux of where the Sandy row lod...

2011-10-09T23:31:31.954+01:00

this is the actual crux of where the Sandy row lodge is coming from `he should strenuously oppose the fatal errors and doctrines of the Church of Rome and other Non-Reformed faiths, and scrupulously avoid countenancing (by his presence or otherwise) any act or ceremony of Roman Catholic or other non-Reformed Worship;` - the fatal errors part being the important part.

Sorry for the typos - predictive text on the phone...

2011-10-09T23:22:58.114+01:00

Sorry for the typos - predictive text on the phone. The Evangelical Protestant Society article on this issue can be found here (scroll down a little) : http://www.ulsterbulwark.org/

The issue isn`t bigotry but theology - many government ministers in the republic attended wakes or funerals but stayed outside Church of Ireland churches during the actual service for similar theological reasons.

The qualifications of an orangeman barr attendance...

2011-10-09T21:32:54.725+01:00

The qualifications of an orangeman barr attendance at any non reformed christian worship, orthodox, hindu, muslim, roman catholic angst is actually no different to what it's taught in the free p, baptist or other evangelical church. Indeed the Evangelical Protestant Society has afb article outlining why Peter Robinson should not have attended worship where the mass is given. It's a sensitive issue especially at a funeral but the issue is about endorsing worship which your own faith deems to be leading others away from salvation. The evangelical denominations will make anyone welcome as the gospel us for everyone but they won't attend worship where the need to get saved isn't preached, they would go to the wake instead to pay their respects