Comments on The Pensive Quill: Scoops Not Filed

I also read the article about Hegarty,are we to be...

2011-10-04T20:18:59.469+01:00

I also read the article about Hegarty,are we to believe army council members went on like this or was it in reality as the saying goes "lions led by donkeys". If it was to save his neck why did he try the same ploy with Gilmore a few years EARLIER, using his wife Lorraine. It doesn't add up does anybody have any ideas.

Robert, I think the lights in there have been ope...

2011-10-04T18:44:01.936+01:00

Robert,

I think the lights in there have been operated by dimmer switch for quite some time.

Anthony, "..not sure why Morrison is putting...

2011-10-03T23:51:22.725+01:00

Anthony,

"..not sure why Morrison is putting himself about so pugnaciously"

Guffawed at your description of Morrison's recent belligerence - almost, but not quite, as loud as when you put his lights out with 'Dear Danny'- which was truly a masterful rebuttal if not a masterclass in the art of "rope-a-dope".

just thinking there about that estate agent in Bel...

2011-10-03T20:22:46.139+01:00

just thinking there about that estate agent in Belfast who was shot super quick...Fenton? and the married couple in the alleyway.

The more you think about the SF 'leadership' the more the cast in that Michael Jackson thriller video begin to look virtuous.

Good job the war's over or the body count required to keep those SF guys in place would have put pol-pot to shame lol

Just read that. was going to say it would make a ...

2011-10-03T20:05:42.391+01:00

Just read that.

was going to say it would make a good le carre thriller, but a total nightmare more like.

Wood and trees comes to mind. Scap, Adams both gerry+liam, mcguinness and the rest all ok; donaldson, hegarty and the likes dead. That was no organisation, it was a club of the filthiest variety....still is.

Nuala, I thought it was the best piece on it that...

2011-10-03T19:56:55.983+01:00

Nuala,

I thought it was the best piece on it that I have read

Mackers, A very interesting/informative piece, pro...

2011-10-03T19:46:34.887+01:00

Mackers,
A very interesting/informative piece, probably explains the whole scenario better than anything else I have read.
It was all about his self-preservation, what's changed?

Nuala, here is a link to an interesting piece on ...

2011-10-03T19:07:39.816+01:00

Nuala,

here is a link to an interesting piece on it.

http://thebrokenelbow.com/2011/09/28/martin-mcguinness-frank-hegarty/

der Liebhar, anyone who would use a mother to lur...

2011-10-03T18:46:30.394+01:00

der Liebhar,
anyone who would use a mother to lure her son home is pretty low.
And that type if low is not conditional on whether it was today, last week, 1974 or before.

The brits do not always protect their agents be they 'high grade' low grade or just plain low life grade.
They did not protect Fenton and he would have been well graded. They actually sent him back here in the knowledge that he had been sussed.
Why then did they protect less valuable informers than him? Who knows?
They could have prevented Davidsons death and he was pretty high grade but again he had been sussed.

Why did McGuinness go out on a limb to get Hegarty home?
Why did he chose to approach the mother?
Why did he hand him over to a top british agent and IRA executioner?

Maybe he had a fixation with the ones that got away. Strange he never had the same fixation with his old pal Scap who was able to go about his daily business in West Belfast years after the IRA sussed him.

Saddened Liam Adams to be extradited for child ra...

2011-10-03T13:37:31.753+01:00

Saddened

Liam Adams to be extradited for child rape charges. Considering Gerry believed Liams daughter but covered for Liam for decades; why did Liam not get what he deserved?

The consistency of SF 'brass'-necks.

saddened 'franko got what he deserved' D...

2011-10-03T09:54:14.763+01:00

saddened

'franko got what he deserved'

Donaldson also whilst mcguinnes stands shoulder to shoulder with PSNI chief calling for 'informers'.
why is scap walking about?

if they all got what was coming to them the SF leadership would all be dead a decade or 3 ago.

Nuala, not sure why Morrison is putting himself a...

2011-10-03T06:56:49.082+01:00

Nuala,

not sure why Morrison is putting himself about so pugnaciously. Maybe doing it on his own and trying to recover lost credibility. Two weeks ago a Belfast republican said that even people on the ground in SF pay no heed to him.

Andre,

that seems to be the one. Thanks.

Fionnuala Perry 'No other informer was ever e...

2011-10-03T06:08:30.235+01:00

Fionnuala Perry

'No other informer was ever enticed home. No other Chief of Staff ever got down on bended knee and guaranteed a mother that her informer son would be totally protected. (what an absolute bastard)'

In your eyes is McGuinness a bastard now or then, I mean is McGuinness a bastard only now because of the hypocrisy in his overt coop with the state.

'Hegarty knew something about
McGuinness, something which he and his pal Scap needed hushed up big time'.

Surely if McGuinness was a British agent back then, it would have been in the Brits best interests to have this 'something' hushed up also. McGuinness wouldn't have gone to such lenghts over Hagerty, but simply relied on the Brits to protect their prize and thus deal with the low grade Hagerty. Why would McGuinness have allowed himself to be exposed to the man's family or taken any chance whatsoever, dosen't add up in my book.

Anthony, is this the second article you're t...

2011-10-03T00:13:04.817+01:00

Anthony,

is this the second article you're
taking about?
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/sf-attack-dog-mauls-journalist-over-story-on-mcguinness-meet-2893712.html

Mackers, a very credible explanation, maybe Gerry ...

2011-10-02T23:11:04.157+01:00

Mackers,
a very credible explanation, maybe Gerry never actually knew Mc Kee.
And maybe Billy has gotten it all wrong about him.

Nuala, but Billy was in the IRA and Gerry wasn...

2011-10-02T22:45:33.138+01:00

Nuala,

but Billy was in the IRA and Gerry wasn't.

Nuala, it is very murky. We can no longer say tha...

2011-10-02T22:44:31.668+01:00

Nuala,

it is very murky. We can no longer say that all those shot as informers were informers.

There is no doubt the Brits wanted McGuinness to be protected just as they wanted Adams protected. They reckoned correctly they could do business with them and needed their input to secure a non republican outcome.

Saddened, how do you know it is absurd? A lot of p...

2011-10-02T22:33:52.744+01:00

Saddened,
how do you know it is absurd?
A lot of people who would know a lot more than us certainly do not think it is absurd!

Mackers,
the more you delve into this stuff the dirtier it gets.
I certainly have no sympathy in relations to informers but the line has become so blurred it is hard to know who was who.
Davidson and Scap were both tortures and executioners and they were both top agents.
How many of their victims were guilty and who was innocent, self preservation was very much the order of the day.
Was Scap protecting Mc Guinness?
A lot of decent and very sincere republicans now believe he was.

Nuala, Murtagh had his version confirmed today by...

2011-10-02T20:23:27.228+01:00

Nuala,

Murtagh had his version confirmed today by another journalist although I have not had the chance to read it yet.

Franko no doubt knew the score. The ruthless use of the mother to lure him back was sinister stuff. As Saddened said it was a ploy that worked - but it takes a certain type to make it work.

'Hegarty knew something about McGuinness, something which he and his pal Scap needed hushed up big time.'

Sounds like the Fenton event in that respect.

Marty, in the Murtagh he admitted not filing so i...

2011-10-02T19:19:41.079+01:00

Marty,

in the Murtagh he admitted not filing so it was not an editorial decision. In my case I think it was simply not filed, so again not a matter for the editor. Can't imagine both being filed and none of them getting in.

I an no supporter of Martin but Franko got what wa...

2011-10-02T15:15:19.883+01:00

I an no supporter of Martin but Franko got what was coming to him, he was a tout simple as that. He trusted Mcguinness as for "knowimg something" is absurd it was a ploy that worked.

Is Morrison now farming himself out as some type o...

2011-10-02T14:06:34.053+01:00

Is Morrison now farming himself out as some type of avenging angel.
Why are they suddenly rolling him out or letting him roll himself out to answer awkward questions about the leadership?

Mackers, whether Murtagh chose to publish his enc...

2011-10-02T13:21:25.391+01:00

Mackers,
whether Murtagh chose to publish his encounter or not does not deflect from the truth.
The Hegarty killing has Mc Guinness stamped all over it.
No other informer was ever enticed home. No other Chief of Staff ever got down on bended knee and guaranteed a mother that her informer son would be totally protected. (what an absolute bastard)
Hegarty knew something about McGuinness, something which he and his pal Scap needed hushed up big time.

Martin was on the other day,stating he got involve...

2011-10-02T12:16:29.848+01:00

Martin was on the other day,stating he got involved with Franko Hegarty case, because Franko had said he was kidnapped by MI5, and as an elected rep he would try and use his influence to help.He tried the same thing with Lorraine Gilmore some years previous, trying to get her husband home for a third eye hole. He was smarter than Franko

Good post Anthony,but you must allow those Broy ha...

2011-10-02T09:01:44.566+01:00

Good post Anthony,but you must allow those Broy harriers of the lead now and again,or as Maggie said set loose the dogs of war,I wonder in the cases you posted was it an editorial decision and who actually took that decision if you get my drift?.