tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post7674402266662056971..comments2012-05-07T15:15:06.459+01:00AMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comBlogger65125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-60117426983241113762012-05-07T15:15:06.459+01:002012-05-07T15:15:06.459+01:00John,<br /><br />Sex evolved I guess at some point along the evolutionary trail to further propagate species. There is no specific reason why it should take place inside marriage that would trump it taking place outside marriage. Religions would be much more persuasive if they took a positive attitude to sex rather than use it to control people. Few listen to what clerics say on sex these days.<br /><br />Somebody claiming not to play the game or have any interest in it is hardly considered suitable to be making the rules. <br /><br />Basically, if people want to enjoy sex for its own sake and they are able to use human reason and ingenuity to prevent it always leading to the birth of children, what a brilliant means to bring more joy out of one of our more vital human attributes. <br /> <br />Itsjustmacker,<br /><br />A religious blog? Appreciated the wind up. Quite often the topic focuses on religion and invariably takes off when John pops up who as you can see has some very strong opinions on the matter. He might actually think it is an atheist blog. It is in fact neither.AMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-17481733196487530842012-05-05T11:00:56.782+01:002012-05-05T11:00:56.782+01:00John<br /><br />‘in given circumstances the Church can guarantee that a teaching on Faith or Morals comes from Christ.’<br /><br />How, apart from on the basis of what it makes up?<br /><br />Many Catholics have lost their faith not in a loving god but in a Church that is viewed as anything but Christ like. They feel that in order to be true to god they have to move away from a Church that has been hijacked by men for their own ends. A bit like what you saw with the Provos. <br /><br />While being no scientist it is now an accepted medical and scientific position that condoms do curb the spread of AIDS. But I am sure you are aware of this already. Witch doctors and clerics can offer nothing that the scientific community feels it safe to go with. Prayer? I think of John McEnroe again. <br /><br />‘Do you have a pre-Vatican II source for this?’<br /><br />Never made the effort to search for one, the issue being so self evident. The papal nuncio was nuncio to the Dublin government not the army council. The most casual of glances at the history of church-state relations since the founding of the state will suffice to show you who the Church felt was the lawful authority. But again, you know all this and it merely detracts from the seriousness of your case when you put forward this type of argument - ‘I&#39;m not aware it has taught one way or the other on this, so in absence of it teaching, we can only apply its general principles.’<br /><br />People may agree with you that the Church should not recognise the Dublin government as the lawful government but they are most unlikely to argue that the Church does not in fact recognise that government.<br /><br /> ‘Who is it that I look on as the only “lawful authority?”<br /><br />Whatever army council you were referring to as the lawful authority.<br /><br />Having since reflected on Sean Brady, I am now of a view that he should stay as it would make the position of the Church much more difficult if he does. Resignation (while the right thing for him to do) would allow the Church to get off the hook.AMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-84835198185832978342012-05-04T19:22:09.525+01:002012-05-04T19:22:09.525+01:00John,<br /><br /><i>&quot;In partaking of a glass or two of vino you are not thwarting its primary purpose and substituting another. However that is what you do with ‘Peaches and Rene&#39;&quot;</i><br /><br />But how do you know what primary purpose - if any - Peaches and Rene have in this world? Their purpose could arguably be to make beautiful erotica!Alfiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16403732604779381173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-14073856337017953452012-05-04T18:56:07.457+01:002012-05-04T18:56:07.457+01:00I for one agree with John about condemning this man before he gets a chance to defend himself,<br />How did it get on his memory dick sorry stick?<br />How did it get on his Cumputor <br />Will we ever be able to unravel this whole mystery of the naked man , ah got it maybe it’s the Naked Chef Jamie Oliver that the people seen on the night , are they sure its wasn’t an Aperaestion maybe it was a woman dressed in a mans skin or maybe his best defence is it’s a Fairy, no now I have it, it was a leprechaun , I bet he is an honourable man that’s for sure with that very vital ingredient called INTEGRITY yeah that’s it the naked man was the Priests INTEGRITY got itBoyne Roverhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10482076205116307157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-34151252919322539942012-05-04T14:16:13.814+01:002012-05-04T14:16:13.814+01:00Marty,<br /><br />has Martin McGuinness called on the Bishop of Louth to do the right thing by Aine Tyrall?AMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-46332151726966453762012-05-04T13:47:57.225+01:002012-05-04T13:47:57.225+01:00Martyboy Mc Guinness has called on Brady to do the right thing by the victims,Brady should respond &quot;pot ,kettle black&quot; the pair of them should be told to fuck of..martyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09814904389826171437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-20029711132748705332012-05-04T12:48:18.046+01:002012-05-04T12:48:18.046+01:00I was wondering if i was on a religious blog site (pmsl) at some comments, but i would like to say a few things about Fr Mc Veigh, nothing bad of course, but, I am curious about the memory stick, was there more than one,?, now, i have four memory cards, one is for personal use which i keep on my key ring, the others are for the kids to download unto and put on there own computers, mine is for computer programs only, and they are copyrighted, so if, this was Fr Mc Veighs personal memory stick, then he is a stupid idiot and should have kept it in a safe and private place, i think he got them mixed up and lifted the wrong one, that is the reason he distroyed it, as for the laptop, that needs looking into more, because, if what he says is the truth and it was stolen, then, the person who stole it could have gotten his filth files and put them on a memory stick, left it near one of the computers, and that is the one he used for his presentation, Its ust a theory.<br />Who Knows?. As for the rest of, what i call &quot;Religious crap&quot;, and, i was a very good catholic church goer, When my late wife died 3 months before her 50th birthday in 1999, i started to go to church more often, one sunday the sermon was on , Unmarried Mothers, and, lo and behold, what happened, He was caught having an afair with one of those he was calling and got a job in a catholic school as an R.E. teacher, that well put me of the church. But i would never attempt to put anyone of going to there own church. Oh, Just one more thing, Did Jesus not say, Go Fourth and Multiply, to me that was to get as many as posible into the catholic church, the more the better for the cash flow, its called POLITICS.<br />May your God bless you &quot;No Matter what he is called&quot; , and keep you and your family safe. Amen, and, Woman!itsjustmackerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14443285690765886118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-27614125285504803752012-05-04T10:28:40.548+01:002012-05-04T10:28:40.548+01:00Er emmm Anthony c,mere been trying to find that site all night a cara all I keep getting is some f##ker telling me god is skint and needs dosh.martyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09814904389826171437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-56597192199817063882012-05-04T08:30:25.157+01:002012-05-04T08:30:25.157+01:00Alfie,<br /><br />just having got the kids off to school and then to read this:<br /><br />&#39;PS. We&#39;ve known each other (online at least) for about a year and a half, John, and I think we get on well. I admit that my vices are good food, good drink and excellent lesbian pornography.&#39;<br /><br />I am still laughing at it. Good for you.AMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-73951531696330750102012-05-03T22:55:19.441+01:002012-05-03T22:55:19.441+01:00Alfie,<br /><br />‘Since both activities are purely for pleasure, why is the former right and the latter wrong?’<br /><br />In partaking of a glass or two of vino you are not thwarting its primary purpose and substituting another. However that is what you do with ‘Peaches and Rene,’ (Couldn’t Rene change her name to Cream, then it would sound much more innocent?)!<br /><br />‘What is wrong with seeking pleasure so long as no one gets hurt?’<br /><br />It is quite likely that many people are hurt through pornography, from those who feel it is their only way to survive, to neglected wives. I think the overall effects of pornography harm all society. <br /><br />Is it only a year and a half, seems longer, Alfie? No, I do not think you are evil. In fact I think that it is only a very rare person, if at all, who should be called evil. I think that while society was informed with Christian values it was easier for all to do good and avoid evil. It is incredibly difficult to do that today, probably more so than at any time in history, but at least we can be comforted that Christ came to call sinners not the just.John McGirrhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04406483272037255062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-35113089127032887772012-05-03T22:21:48.998+01:002012-05-03T22:21:48.998+01:00John,<br /><br />will answer this tomorrow as I am off to bed. Fornication, its great. Have you ever known anyone to be unhappy while doing it?AMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-69129985536433755372012-05-03T22:06:29.743+01:002012-05-03T22:06:29.743+01:00AM.<br /><br />Infallibility does not and never has meant that a Pope, or any one else, can do no wrong. It means, simply, that in given circumstances the Church can guarantee that a teaching on Faith or Morals comes from Christ. If it could not do that, then it may as well close down. How can it teach the way to Heaven whilst being unsure of the route itself? You are quite right though, many Catholics have lost their Faith, and many clerics too. That is no small reason why they have abandoned the morality that is taught by the Church.<br /><br />A condom cannot guarantee to prevent the spread of AIDS so I for one would be far happier not to condone their use when they are risking spreading such a serious disease.<br /><br />‘The Church teaches that the IRA is immoral including the one you look on as the only ‘lawful authority.’ <br /><br />Do you have a pre-Vatican II source for this? Who is it that I look on as the only ‘lawful authority?’<br /><br />‘Which means you too reject Church teaching.’ <br /><br />If I have rejected any I will be happy to change my view and accept them.<br /><br />‘Does the Church teach that the ‘lawful authority’ in Ireland is the IRA’s Army Council?’<br /><br />I’m not aware it has taught one way or the other on this, so in absence of it teaching, we can only apply its general principles. <br /><br />‘Brady is goosed. He should resign with some dignity.’ <br /><br />I’m not too concerned either way. I suspect that he has done less wrong than many seeking his scalp.<br /><br />‘Fornication wrong? “Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy” HL Mencken’<br /><br />Do you really equate happiness with fornication?John McGirrhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04406483272037255062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-88258945114435759362012-05-03T21:56:48.795+01:002012-05-03T21:56:48.795+01:00John,<br /><br />So basically what you&#39;re saying is that Jesus has no problem with me having a glass or two of wine tonight, but he will freak out if I watch Peaches and Rene from the Sapphic Erotica website going down on each other?<br /><br />Since both activities are purely for pleasure, why is the former right and the latter wrong? What is wrong with seeking pleasure so long as no one gets hurt?<br /><br />PS. We&#39;ve known each other (online at least) for about a year and a half, John, and I think we get on well. I admit that my vices are good food, good drink and excellent lesbian pornography. Nevertheless, I love my family and I do what I can to make everyone&#39;s stay on this planet as pain-free as possible. Do you think I&#39;m evil?Alfiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16403732604779381173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-91467973463991807162012-05-03T21:07:14.219+01:002012-05-03T21:07:14.219+01:00Prime Time in half an hour looks at the Brady scandalAMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-81047587692298110542012-05-03T20:52:54.202+01:002012-05-03T20:52:54.202+01:00Alfie,<br /><br />Taking the analogy of food, if someone were to gorge, then vomit then gorge again, so as to have the pleasure whilst thwarting its purpose of sustenance for life, that would be akin to deliberately suppressing the primary purpose of the marriage act in order just to enjoy the pleasure associated with it. The pleasure is there for a purpose, and that purpose is the continuation of the human race. If this can be deliberately thwarted, then there it would lead to every aberration against nature. <br /><br />I think most grog does have a nutritional as well as a convivial element, but of course it, like most things, can be taken too far. Of course the Good Lord turned water in to wine, so it can’t be wrong to partake of the odd drop.<br /><br />Marty,<br /><br />There is no obligation on everyone to increase and multiply. Many people are not in a position to, for many differing reasons, and they mostly don’t abuse children. In fact those who do abuse are those who do not practice celibacy, not those who do. If you want to stop such abuse you would be better to insist that they should be celibate, rather than argue that celibacy is pointless. Society has argued that it is pointless, and that explains the mess.John McGirrhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04406483272037255062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-35151877231661662792012-05-03T20:42:44.668+01:002012-05-03T20:42:44.668+01:00John,<br /><br />I would say that very many Catholics now see the church as a mad made structure given the fallibility of every cleric that has been all too demonstrable of late. I doubt if pronouncing themselves infallible works on too many these days. <br /><br />‘I do not know of any circumstances where a condom might save a life’ seems an incredibly inane statement. There is enough medical evidence out there to show the impact of condoms on AIDS prevention, thus an ability to save lives. I presume that is why priests and nuns hand them out in Africa. <br />It matters not that you might think that the men of 1916 are suitable for canonisation or that I might even agree with you. The Church teaches that the IRA is immoral including the one you look on as the only ‘lawful authority.’ Which means you too reject Church teaching. Does the Church teach that the ‘lawful authority’ in Ireland is the IRA’s Army Council? I think you would be the only person in Ireland who thinks the Church teaches that.<br /><br />Brady is goosed. He should resign with some dignity. I don’t see him as a particularly bad guy and I guess he is remorseful but he needs to know how impossible it will be for him to continue in that position and maintain any confidence. Patsy McGarry reported yesterday that even within the Church many feel his authority has seriously diminished.<br /><br />Fornication wrong? “Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy” HL MenckenAMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-88889934895751103272012-05-03T19:51:23.520+01:002012-05-03T19:51:23.520+01:00John wouldnt celibacy be inverting nature, and maybe thats why kids end in harm,the catholic church has cut a big stick to beat itself with this on one a cara,martyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09814904389826171437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-74137135037411970082012-05-03T19:30:19.641+01:002012-05-03T19:30:19.641+01:00John,<br /><br />So essentially what you&#39;re saying is that sex is grand as long as there is a chance of conception and pregnancy. Why? Why can&#39;t people just give pleasure to each other?<br /><br />You used the analogy of food. You say we ought not eat for mere pleasure. What about drinking though? You don&#39;t seriously think that there is a nutritional purpose to the grog, do you?Alfiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16403732604779381173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-54819922273823869382012-05-03T19:07:13.683+01:002012-05-03T19:07:13.683+01:00My question is why? What&#39;s so bad about sex that it must be limited to procreation only?<br /><br />It doesn&#39;t have to be limited to it, it just should not preclude it; any more than eating should be done for the mere pleasure of eating. <br /><br />We eat to live, rather than live to eat. Inverting nature always ends in harm, to ourselves, our families and society.John McGirrhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04406483272037255062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-35675642325828912972012-05-03T19:05:59.415+01:002012-05-03T19:05:59.415+01:00Ah so thats where the saying &quot;spank the monkey&quot; comes from its a church thing mmmmmartyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09814904389826171437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-53897587726401904402012-05-03T18:38:37.139+01:002012-05-03T18:38:37.139+01:00Marty,<br /><br />them monkeys are gonna burn in hell for choking the chicken. So sayeth the Lord.AMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-3661609072292059852012-05-03T17:34:56.460+01:002012-05-03T17:34:56.460+01:00Good question Alfie after all monkeys are fond of an auld ham shank...martyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09814904389826171437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-5094673242604105382012-05-03T15:18:33.841+01:002012-05-03T15:18:33.841+01:00<i>So it looks like check-mate!</i><br /><br />Look, John, I have never sought to claim that Jesus and the other two Trinity chaps in whom you believe have a healthy attitude to sex. Clearly they are prudes. My question is why? What&#39;s so bad about sex that it must be limited to procreation only?Alfiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16403732604779381173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-80429721554181290322012-05-03T14:01:08.471+01:002012-05-03T14:01:08.471+01:00Marty,<br /><br />just watched that documentary. Prime Time is doing it tonight also. In a normal body Sean Brady would be forced to step down. But the men of god can&#39;t accept normal status, thinking somehow they are of a paranormal stock.AMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-26517633594382919902012-05-03T10:31:01.362+01:002012-05-03T10:31:01.362+01:00More weasel word from Brady something akin to &quot;I wuz only obeying orders&quot;early retirement on the horizon I think,unlike the abuse victims he can spend the rest of his days in peace while they are in pieces,martyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09814904389826171437noreply@blogger.com