Comments on The Pensive Quill: A Reply to Niall O’Dowd

"They were once clever,"implying that th...

2012-01-21T22:01:24.378Z

"They were once clever,"implying that they are now stupid?"" attractive women"implying that they are now no longer attractive, sounds arrogant and condescending to me and giving her history of pro brit statements over the years she would not be someone who would lose sleep over either Marian or Dolours,rather she will probably shed bucketloads when Thatcher falls of her perch,and like the west brit she is I bet she also went WOW when Lizzie brit ag caint as Gaeilge,and I still love you to Alfie a cara.

I should also say that I was very disappointed wit...

2012-01-21T21:38:01.206Z

I should also say that I was very disappointed with Ruth's analysis of the Boston College saga in the Sunday Independent. I had hoped she would stand up for the right of journalists and academics to protect their sources, but she did not. In any event, verbally abusing someone on account of their opinions is not in keeping with republican principles. Indeed, it is nasty as well as being counter-productive.

Marty, You know I have a lot of time for you, but...

2012-01-21T21:16:53.346Z

Marty,

You know I have a lot of time for you, but I found your remarks about Ruth rather vicious. With regard to Ruth "dishing it out", here is what she said about the Price sisters:

"Dolours Price, who gave similar evidence, is a sad woman whose story -- along with that of her sister Marian -- is an awful reminder of how perpetrators suffered too. Coming from a family of fanatical republicans, the sisters were, respectively, 21 and 19 when they helped Gerry Kelly bomb the Old Bailey.

After years of imprisonment, hunger strikes and force feeding, they were released on humanitarian grounds after seven years. Later, they would both bitterly oppose what they saw as a Sinn Fein sell-out in the Good Friday Agreement and Dolours has been voluble about what she sees as Adams's betrayal. In the unlikely event of her agreeing to help the despised PSNI and give evidence in court, the defence lawyers would be licking their lips.

Dolours suffers from depression: Marian, who is prominent in the 32 County Sovereignty Committee, the Real IRA's political wing, is in solitary confinement in Maghaberry Prison. They were once clever, attractive girls whose misplaced idealism ruined their lives. No wonder they hate Gerry Adams."

Where is the insult to the Price sisters? All I can see is pity for them.

Alfie I found her remarks about the Price sisters ...

2012-01-21T17:25:20.493Z

Alfie I found her remarks about the Price sisters objectionable,your nice lady is good at dishing it out so I think she and yourself should be au fait with the reply,as for respect that is something I wouldnt dish out to loosely a cara,been shafted by people I once respected,but I would rather play the ball than the man anytime,so I,ll make a deal with you here ,she keeps her personal insults to herself and I for one will do the same.

Alfie, have been too busy to address this before....

2012-01-21T16:58:00.384Z

Alfie,

have been too busy to address this before. I think the lads see it is boisterous rather than abusive. But you are right. It is not the type of thing that is encouraged here. We tend to let it go for a while in the hope that it pulls back of its own accord. If it becomes a fetish then we step in and call a halt. I doubt this is going to happen here.

Though I rarely agree with Ruth Dudley Edwards, I ...

2012-01-21T15:54:42.447Z

Though I rarely agree with Ruth Dudley Edwards, I have found her to be a very nice lady and I object to the nasty remarks made about her on this thread. We ought to show respect to everyone, even our political opponents.

Maybe because Flynn and Ruddy were not compromised...

2012-01-19T17:48:39.701Z

Maybe because Flynn and Ruddy were not compromised, as many of the Adams Committee appear to have been.

AM- Re-read Deadly Divisions about the I.N.L.A an...

2012-01-18T22:50:47.398Z

AM-

Re-read Deadly Divisions about the
I.N.L.A and i came across a few
items about the hunger-strike-

Shortly BEFORE Joe McDonnells death
councillor Flynn [ IRSP ] received a telephone call from a man from the northern Ireland office,who told him to go to Long Kesh- Flynn went and was accompanied by Séamus Ruddy [ IRSP ] they met a NIO offical and were allowed to see both Lynch and Devine- Flynn could not get the official to reveal what was being offered- page 179-

There is the proof that there was no deal being offered at that time comming from a IRSP member who was the main link between the INLA hunger-strikers and their leadership-if there was a deal then why not tell it to the IRSPs main link-

The IRSP leadership arranged a meeting between them and the I.N.L.A leaders and it was agreed that Bik McFarlane could not make any deals as a result of negotiations UNLESS the INLAs representative had taken part in them- page 175-

Maybe some-one from the IRSP could go to Mickey Devines daughter and let her know the full truth-

This whole debate has become very tiresome. Tom...

2012-01-17T09:27:13.081Z

This whole debate has become very tiresome.

Tommy McKearney once wrote that he believed that it was remarkable how Adams held the Movement together throughout the ceasefire and how it hadn’t descended into a bloody feud. I read that statement several times and wondered if McKearney was hinting that the ‘Agents of Influence’ had taken control and therefore controlling Adams became a moot point when they were controlling the Think Tank…And from that we can deduct that British Intelligence knew everything there was to know about the glorious past of all involved. Plus, I’ve no doubt that at some point in the future we will all be shocked to hear that some of those who participated in this exercise are in fact also ‘Agents of Influence’…..that’s a cert.

So, the only reasons to bemoan this pointless and useless exercise are that concerned with integrity.
Boston College failed to honour its side of the contract and thus has lost a degree of academic standing and integrity in the eyes of those highly influential academics of world renown from that bastion of academic integrity that is West Belfast!

And, that the journalistic integrity (whatever the hell that is?????) of Ed Moloney and Anthony McIntyre has been betrayed…..same old, same old with Irish Republicanism and the egotistical maniacs it attracts!

Another way to view this is that all those involved been very cleverly duped in to giving British Intelligence the keys to publicly use what secret information they already had, in the public domain and thus protecting their ‘Agents of Influence’ even more…..simples!

Marty. "ave this is my second attempt to rep...

2012-01-16T21:35:29.180Z

Marty.

"ave this is my second attempt to reply to your question,yes I have read Edwards Piece"

I agree with you 100%, she writes an absolute load of tripe,you say she is like the backend of a bus, i would say, rear end of a donkey, she writes from other peoples pieces, then adds her own tripe,thats a typical Brit. And Yes , Both the Price sisters never lost their republican stance, and many more Men and women are the same. PSF have a lot to answer for.

Dave this is my second attempt to reply to your qu...

2012-01-16T19:32:55.712Z

Dave this is my second attempt to reply to your question,yes I have read Edwards piece and I think its typical of the crap she posts,her depiction of the Price sisters as once clever attractive girls whose misplaced idealism ruined their lives,is from someone who I think has a face like the backend of a bus is an insult to these women who are still clever,attractive women who have remained true to their republican principals,her opinion is what youd expect from a London based west brit,

oh yes marty, united we stand, divided we fall my...

2012-01-16T19:24:50.085Z

oh yes marty,
united we stand, divided we fall
my feeling is this will happen in Derry, but I can't say when, for that is to place it in time !
grma

Cant argue with that point Yer man its been the ba...

2012-01-16T15:41:31.466Z

Cant argue with that point Yer man its been the bane of Irish history,would if only we could stand united as a nation how great that would be.I,m sure you,l agree

good point marty, however take it one step further...

2012-01-16T14:15:50.029Z

good point marty,
however take it one step further,
by your own logic and mine too,
it follows that Republican splits only ever serve the Brits. outstandingly well O think you said.
Ergo ....
( a gap fill exercise for you marty )
slan

Lmao Robert.ask O'Dowd if there is any sign of...

2012-01-16T14:14:23.364Z

Lmao Robert.ask O'Dowd if there is any sign of an independent thought up there...

Yer man try telling that to the brits .they have b...

2012-01-16T12:29:39.851Z

Yer man try telling that to the brits .they have been using that tatic all over the world and with outstanding results,well for a while anyway,or untill the colonies were bled dry.

What did you think of Ruth Dudley Edwards piece in...

2012-01-16T11:53:40.603Z

What did you think of Ruth Dudley Edwards piece in www.independent.ie ?

the lesson is: if by your actions/words you sow di...

2012-01-15T23:08:49.022Z

the lesson is:
if by your actions/words you sow division, you're on the wrong path/road

Anthony 'The second point to bear in mind is ...

2012-01-15T22:13:42.234Z

Anthony

'The second point to bear in mind is that Niall O'Dowd is a close ally and friend of the Provisional leadership.'

'Colonoscope' would be a more apt name for O'Dowd's website!

After sitting down to a lovely roast chicken dinne...

2012-01-15T20:04:57.022Z

After sitting down to a lovely roast chicken dinner I opened the Sunday World newspaper and read Suzanne Breen,s interview with Mickey Devine,s daughter Louise,by the end of the article I had tears in my eyes,but I,m sure they were nothing compared to what that girl and the other families have went through,people everywhere owe Richard O Rawe their undying gratitude for exposing Adams and his cronies for the heartless opportunistic bastards they really are,Louise,s call for a public inquiry into the events surrounding her fathers and the five other hero,s needless deaths will no doubt fall on deaf ears,its here I believe that the IRSP/INLA should instigate such an inquiry,Adams and his cronies in qsf have promoted a myth that they are the" good guys"in the hunger strike dispute and have acted openly and honestly,with people like Richard, the Dark and the testimonies of those involved in the BC oral history future generations would have been able to dissect and explore all the relevant information around that sad time and expose those who lied,I believe Richard and I think that oral project is vital to future generations who would seek the truth and not the sanitized version qsf/brits would have us believe.my heart goes out to Louise Devine and those other families I sincerely hope they find the peace and truth they desperately deserve.

For fucks sake why do the dummy tits need to look ...

2012-01-15T01:51:31.913Z

For fucks sake why do the dummy tits need to look at these tapes,has,nt Scap Davidison,Donaldson and those still strung on to the network fulfilling the role set out in in Kitsons dirty little war,may be this is just the the outworking of a wee power struggle between the so called security forces i.e. mi5 /6 fru sb etc??????

O'Dowd is undoubtedly a close confident and de...

2012-01-14T23:39:24.552Z

O'Dowd is undoubtedly a close confident and defender of Gerry Adams. O'Dowd as many will recall accurately 'predicted' the ceasefire. So when he writes in terms of the end of the ceasefire how seriously should anyone take him? I quote,

"Strange as it may seem the tapes have the potential to damage the peace process.

The British security forces MI5 etc., are looking for any dirt they can find on Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams among others on those tapes." O'Dowd is undoubtedly a close confident and defender of Gerry Adams. O'Dowd as many will recall accurately 'predicted' the ceasefire. So when he writes in terms of the end of the ceasefire how seriously should anyone take him? I quote,

"Strange as it may seem the tapes have the potential to damage the peace process.

The British security forces MI5 etc., are looking for any dirt they can find on Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams among others on those tapes." http://www.irishcentral.com/story/news/periscope/why-is-president-obama-trying-to-damage-the-irish-peace-process-feds-working-with-british-agents-win-access-to-boston-college-ira-tapes-135819863.html

AM- " Had Richard O'Rawe not decided, ag...

2012-01-14T22:32:49.907Z

AM-

" Had Richard O'Rawe not decided,
against our advice to tell his story in book form,his interview would have remained sealed untill his death " eh ?-

Is O'Rawe's story to the boston college going to be the next one in the papers- will he tell who his O.C was when he was caught, like others have- surly O'Rawe's full confession has not been made public yet-