Comments on The Pensive Quill: Derelict and Delinquent

http://countmeout/.ie for all those wishing to lea...

2009-12-01T12:56:23.088Z

http://countmeout/.ie for all those wishing to leave the church! i find it disgusting that a rotten organisation like the catholic church 'claims' me as a member,bunch of scumbag rapists, we talk about what they did and we use words like abuse and molestation it was RAPE,WHOLESALE RAPE! bastards is there not sufficient anger in the country to sort these bastards out,all they're interested in is money,they surely dont believe what they preach? they certainly dont practice it,they've ruined this country and they preach to people about fucking morals! i hope the catholic church withers and dies and rots in 'hell'..scum

The question still needs answering, "Why will...

2009-11-30T01:00:45.124Z

The question still needs answering, "Why will this institution be allowed to survive and, eventually, once again thrive?". Adlai Stevenson said that people "get the government they deserve". Well, the Irish people have the church they deserve. Clerical abuse, in my time, was absolutely and openly rampant. The dirtier secret is that EVERBODY knew. Not just the peelers, local authorities etc but parents and guardians of those abused. The perverse fact is that we allowed our children to be abused. We have a "sentimentality" toward children that masks a ferocious resentment. Our entire attitude toward children needs to be challenged. Not much as changed in my opinion - spoilt stupid one minute and the shite beat out of them the next. This is still common practice. Pull down the Church Church and send them back to Rome in chains? Sign me up. Within 10 years some other "St Patrick" will be back selling the same old story and away we go....The problem is staring back at us in the mirror when we have a shave in the morning but we don't want to look at it.

It's the likes of Enda Kenny suddenly getting ...

2009-11-29T19:51:57.246Z

It's the likes of Enda Kenny suddenly getting on his high horse that sickens me. He of the Party of Oliver J. Flanegan and extreme catholic conservatism. They should all be silent and wearing sackcloth and ashes instead of making political hay.

Rory

Great article.. Brehon law. The law of the People....

2009-11-29T18:45:57.587Z

Great article.. Brehon law. The law of the People. End of Story. Gods laws have been sodomized and manipulated to produce a class of mindless baby producing system perpetuating drone/dronettes.

We are all in this together don't forget.

I don't think a man will realize the pain, grief, dis pare that he has created until he's witnessed it first hand, or had a gruesome awakening to it.. Ie..

Punishment should fit the crime.

There is something working away in the background that we all know nothing of, this is the reason its so hard to understand what's going on..

Despite going to a religious school that has since...

2009-11-29T17:24:04.927Z

Despite going to a religious school that has since been described as "a hotbed of pedophilia" (St.Peter's, Wexford) at the time I was there and despite the fact that I am a revolutionary socialist, I am today a practicing catholic.

Something I find hard to explain myself. I worship in a Friary that is untainted by any of this horror.

The worst that happened to me in my school days was getting my arse pinched by a raping man of the cloth who has since done time (not near enough IMHO).

We knew what was going on from first year, but had neither the vocabulary to explain it, or anyone, parents, lay teachers or anyone outside who wanted to know.

When this latest report (finally) came out I had to turn off my computer, the radio and basically bury my head for 36 hours or be overcome with blind rage. It's the moral indignation from people and institutions who were silent at the time that gets to me the most.

I would like to see a mass resignation of all bishops and priests who are in anyway guilty by association followed by criminal proceedings where applicable.

Rory

PM, my own view is that the Church offered the abu...

2009-11-29T09:49:49.365Z

PM, my own view is that the Church offered the abusers a massive opportunity to ply their trade, rather than them being of sound disposition at the time they joined but later going bad. I think that is one reason behind the decline in people going into the priesthood - not as easy these days to get away with child rape. So for sbusers the advantages of joining the priesthood are curbed. Therefore they have to look elsewhere.

A brave piece AM. It seems a descent to the depths...

2009-11-29T01:46:44.410Z

A brave piece AM. It seems a descent to the depths of depravity is often bizarrely preceded by a proclamation/assumption of moral superiority on the part of the perpetrator/abuser. I wonder did these abusers specifically enter the church in order to be in a position to abuse. Or did they enter for other reasons and realise once there they were in an institution where they could unleash their darkest desires with impunity. How many of these abusers and their protectors have condemned consensual sexual relationships, gay marriage etc over the years.

Tony, a sad outcome to a life blighted by the mons...

2009-11-28T17:40:48.806Z

Tony, a sad outcome to a life blighted by the monstrous men of the cloth.

Marty, go for it - they deserve all the stick they get

I picked my daughter up from school back a few yea...

2009-11-28T17:36:05.951Z

I picked my daughter up from school back a few years ago i think she was around 10 years old at the time.... she said to me walking over rhe road the girl in my class her dad died last night, i said what age was he i think 33/34/ i said it must be cancer or a heart attack. the next day it was all over the papers, that peter mc closkey, he was abused at 13.. which the story is very shocking...he went to donal murray the bishop of limerick. and was told more anless drop ur case our legal them are the best... he was found the next day by his family dead in the shed....

bring back the penal days ,jeeesuuss Id be up for ...

2009-11-28T15:26:02.311Z

bring back the penal days ,jeeesuuss Id be up for a bit of priest /dickie dodger (nun) hunting,I would,nt even charge, marty f