Comments on The Pensive Quill: The Master Cometh

Tain Bo, ‘ Politically they have a voice that I t...

2010-12-28T00:09:03.674Z

Tain Bo,

‘ Politically they have a voice that I think is muffled under the noise of its own din.’

Agreed. I just didn’t think it equated with an acceptance of the pariah label.

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Anthony Enough time has passed for formulating a...

2010-12-22T22:45:20.982Z

Anthony

Enough time has passed for formulating a cohesive independent political opposition. I know collectively it is there in many names and forms this renders the objective(s) ineffectual as it is a clear political weakness that SF the Brits and the media exploit and reduce to marginal.
Without a clear and united political doctrine weakens independent republicanism in both the short and long term. Politically they have a voice that I think is muffled under the noise of its own din.

Tain Bo, was just wondering why you thought that....

2010-12-22T21:17:22.823Z

Tain Bo,

was just wondering why you thought that.

Anthony ‘I am curious as to why independent republ...

2010-12-22T21:15:18.975Z

Anthony
‘I am curious as to why independent republicans accept the label of
political pariahs.’

I haven’t seen where they do.

Some independents’ still view the armed struggle as the way forward others view the political struggle as the way to go. I think the lack of unity amongst independents with many voices and no clear definitive leadership might imply an acceptance of being political pariahs. In my opinion this is the one area independents should hold a singular voice not just in opposition to British rule but also Sinn Fein rule.

“E pluribus unum” from many one! I might be of the mark on this but that would not be the first time.

Mise Eire I am not pessimistic I don’t subscribe ...

2010-12-22T20:49:24.337Z

Mise Eire

I am not pessimistic I don’t subscribe to the SF hype as they march into the republic with Gerry at the fore under the pretence of saviors they have absolutely nothing to offer the people.
If anything it is a bold move but as a poker player I see it as a stone cold bluff.
I am certain they would not play the hand unless they believe it’s in the bag, though even if they do win it is a minor victory which they will undoubtedly exploit.
If they lose then expect a sob story of political trickery either way I am convinced there is more to it than meets the eye.

Slan a chara

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Tain Bo ‘I am curious as to why independent repub...

2010-12-22T18:09:34.132Z

Tain Bo

‘I am curious as to why independent republicans accept the label of
political pariahs.’

I haven’t seen where they do.

Anthony Undoubtedly they will try and silence any...

2010-12-02T02:16:06.900Z

Anthony

Undoubtedly they will try and silence any republican voice one way or the other.
Herein independent republicans fail slowly but surely accepting the defeat of the armed struggle and now replacing that defeat with a defeatist attitude when it comes to voicing political objection to the power of Sinn Fein.
I don’t believe the independent republican voice is as marginal as the media would have us believe understandably many of us view a continued armed struggle as a non-starter yet it is more of a slap in the face of PSF as it is a continuation of their former strategy and without doubt a great political embarrassment to the reformists.

I am curious as to why independent republicans accept the label of political pariahs.
With Adams heading south expanding the empire seemed to deliver a blow to the independent republican camp instead of embracing his departure from west Belfast which is fitting as his overblown ego that he alone will inspire a new wave of support for PSF in the republic.
Loosening his reign in west Belfast means the more ambitious party members will have time to plan their own usurpation especially if he loses the party would like us to believe they are one uniformed family when in reality all they do is mimic their British masters.

This may have been better implemented 30 years ago but now the haste in which PSF move seems more detrimental rather than constructive collecting numbers does no good for the people north or south even under the guise of a united Ireland.

Independent republicans should focus on their role and voice in the political arena, as there is no stopping the expansionist policy of the failed PSF that will come about when it implodes under the weight of its own political blunders.

Alfie, I guess you are right that there is not a ...

2010-11-30T14:36:38.104Z

Alfie,

I guess you are right that there is not a lot we can do about the IMF fait accompli. Yet if we were to invest energy in something it would be better for it to go to a project aimed at combating poverty rather than frustrating the Master’s ambitions. He offers nothing other than the promotion of himself yet there are more important things to do in this current climate.

The banks and bondholders should take the hit but we are all equals now in the sharing of pain!

Nuala,

Not that Bobby would discern an awful lot about politics in the South or anywhere else. Very clever in many ways but politics is not among them. It is not the way he thinks.

Tain Bo,

I think part of it is to ensure no alternative leadership in the South emerges. There is but one great leader and there will be no false great leaders before him. Wouldn’t be surprised if Mary Lou is sent North for the West Belfast seat. Also, if by some chance he could squeeze a ministerial seat from one of the right wing parties he will certainly jump into government with, if they allow him, he will proclaim Ireland as good as united and tell any f us who query it to ‘catch yourselves on.’

Anthony If Adams had the oratory proficiency that...

2010-11-25T04:17:53.208Z

Anthony

If Adams had the oratory proficiency that Hitler had he would definitely motivate people.
It sounds as if there is more to Adams exiting west Belfast where politically he is a major voice yet if he carries the day in Louth he becomes a minor voice in a completely different arena one where he holds no leverage.
I can understand the pessimism within independent republican circles but I remain optimistic that the people will not want the trouble that comes along with Adams.
I enjoy a bet so if I lose I will join the intrepid Mickey Henry and post in his unique style.

Tain Bo Emotional times. And there is bad feelin...

2010-11-24T08:59:39.394Z

Tain Bo

Emotional times. And there is bad feeling down here. If you watch how the Nazi party progressed during times of recession you can see how the rank outsider can come up on the inside track. While The Master and SF are not the Nazi Party, Germany showed that a party on the margins that was formerly odious to wide swathes of society can rapidly expand if the climate is right. I think he will win the seat in Louth. I might be wrong. It is a SF seat in terms of quota. It is a border county, the more Northern parts of it anyway which working the Master’s favour. The factor militating against him is the economic concerns of the electorate. And he is very weak on the economy when interviewed. ‘The peace process cures all’ doesn’t work in the South. It is seen as a panacea for the problems in the North.

Mackers, According to Storey, 'Gerry&#...

2010-11-23T19:01:50.181Z

Mackers,
According to Storey, 'Gerry's going to Louth to sort out the South.'
Done sweet fcuk all for the North and he will do sweet fcuk all South of the border.
They promised people here, they would fight against water charges when they had already signed up for them?

Alfie ‘if the Master does win a seat and get int...

2010-11-23T09:50:33.457Z

Alfie

‘if the Master does win a seat and get into government, he'll have a much harder task of disappearing the IMF than Jean McConville.’

The Master has not the slightest intention of disappearing the IMF. He will tell you he will be going in to face the IMF and look at the white of their eyes and lessen the impact of the cuts that are going to be made anyway and which he arrived too late to stop; that if he wasn’t cooperating with the IMF and keeping them in check the cuts would be much worse. We have heard it all so often. Watch what they do about cuts in the North – will they oppose or implement? That is the decisive question.

As I said in an earlier comment if you are thinking of campaigning against him in Louth, I would suggest you could do worse than reconsider directing your time and energy to combating the situation we are in nationally. It is much more important than his career enhancing initiative in Louth.

Anthony, just saw these posts am in spain..i have ...

2010-11-22T19:42:06.646Z

Anthony, just saw these posts am in spain..i have a sick feeling that he will possibly get elected bcoz S.Armagh has been docile for so long. Had just hoped this might ignite some anger. However looking at FF you are correct about IMF etc..God help patriots who put that mob fat greedy gits in to see to themselves. UK obviously still controls much of the nations financial wealth. How embarrassing that they not only had the need to bail us out, but the decency and dignity to actually do it.
Put one off politics here for ten life-times.

Anthony I would engage the fatalistic approach “...

2010-11-21T20:39:21.873Z

Anthony

I would engage the fatalistic approach “nothing is certain but death and taxes” remaining optimistic with the law of probability the variables being many in this election.
I am sure they have been planning this for a long time yet I would like to believe the people of the south may well vote on issues of concern.
Adams undoubtedly can carry west Belfast, as the vote is still the old vote against the Brits.
90 years of separation might prove interesting, as I am sure people notice Adams is keeping his theme of abandoning one cause for another.
I will stick by that will be the day as I like my odds if he wins I will join the minions and gladly abandon all hope.

Anthony, "I am far from persuaded that your ...

2010-11-21T17:09:23.879Z

Anthony,

"I am far from persuaded that your suggesting for campaigning against him is a good one. If all that energy could be generated it would be better to put it into combating the IMF and suchlike rather than seeing it dissipate chasing a ghoul through the graveyards of Louth."

Maybe Adams cannot be stopped, but neither can I see how we can do anything to prevent the IMF et al. calling the shots here in the Republic. We need money and no one else will lend it to us at a manageable rate, so we have to do what we're told. No amount of street protests and civil unrest will change that; they certainly didn't work in Greece.

Incidentally, I don't understand why we couldn't let insolvent banks go into receivership. Couldn't the government have guaranteed only ordinary deposit holders and let the shareholders/bondholders take the hit? I mean, this is supposed to be a capitalist country, isn't it? How come its shitty rules apply to ordinary people but not to banks?

Larry, Of course he is guaranteed selection. It ...

2010-11-21T08:57:25.300Z

Larry,

Of course he is guaranteed selection. It will be a sad reflection if those opposed and still in the Louth party do not speak up after the way he allowed Liam to rise to positions of prominence in the constituency. More than anything else he did in his endless pursuit of power that stands out. Those not opposed don’t rally care about Liam, simply hitching their wagon to anything that will raise their boat.

He will get elected. I can’t see how not. A credible republican candidate is unlikely to make any substantive difference. The Master’s problem is that he will always be open to sordid scandal. No matter what deodorant he sprays the smell of decay and death is always going to make its way through. What difference it makes is another matter. But imagine the impossible happened and he somewhat like Hitler came to power and took the Presidency on the back of an economic recession, could you imagine the country represented by that abroad? Total embarrassment.

I am far from persuaded that your suggesting for campaigning against him is a good one. If all that energy could be generated it would be better to put it into combating the IMF and suchlike rather than seeing it dissipate chasing a ghoul through the graveyards of Louth.

Marty,

There is no doubt that the reasons the Master says he is coming to Louth are anything other than the real reasons. Of course he would love the presidency. But for something so politically catastrophic to happen a situation would need to exist like that in Germany in the 1930s. There would need to be the widespread abandonment of reason and a surrender to emotion which places faith in a ‘great leader’ who hasn’t a clue about serious economic matters.

In the North he doesn’t need to worry. Look at the economic status of West Belfast. I never thought he was as bad an MP as Squinter claimed but it is hard to point to any real success achieved. He would get in for ever and a day. He has a party who - in trade union terms – was told by him they could work a six day week for lower wages. Barely a word of dissent. Amazing. The South wouldn’t put up with that for long. They want work not waffle.

I agree with you on his prospects rather than Larry.

Robert,

Thanks for that. It is a matter of choice for Kevintyrone. He is free to like or dislike as he chooses. Every time a Shinner refers to a nodding dog I laugh. It is like them calling somebody a liar. If you want to se a real nodding dog read Gibney in Thursday’s Irish News.

Kevintryone,

Satire, it doesn’t please everybody nor should it. A more political/economic analysis would be welcome. Fancy submitting one?

Ryan, Liar’s Lane is it? Tain Bo, ‘A victory i...

2010-11-19T22:25:01.490Z

Ryan,

Liar’s Lane is it?

Tain Bo,

‘A victory in Louth I will go with the Buddy Holly song... that will be
the day.’

He would not have gone for it unless he was absolutely certain.

Nuala,

Just watched a woman on TV tonight saying all the politicians were lying. Just wait until she hears the Master. He’ll tell her lies the like of which she has never heard before or thought imaginable.

Arthur is paying the price I guess for his expression of unha[pines at the Master’s cover up of the child rapist.

Put those books in the window Nuala and the Masters servants will hurl bricks through.

Did you read that sycophantic tosh of Gibney in yesterday’s Irish News? Why do people belittle themselves?

Marty,

Back channel talks are going on to allow them to find a way around the oath.

Michaelhenry,

I confess to never knowing what you mean!

Larry,

He was hopeless in the 2007 election campaign. New policy to tackle joblessness – mass graves for the unemployed.

I had a look at the 'Troops Out Movement' ...

2010-11-19T17:42:54.129Z

I had a look at the 'Troops Out Movement' website recently, on it was a link to a video of the master giving his reasons for throwing his hat into the Louth ring. The volume of waffle in the film has to be seen to be believed!

Things really are absolutely fucked in the Republi...

2010-11-18T21:01:34.382Z

Things really are absolutely fucked in the Republic - the Master is at one door and the IMF are at the other. Well, if the Master does win a seat and get into government, he'll have a much harder task of disappearing the IMF than Jean McConville.

marty- only you kate has two choice's- toe t...

2010-11-17T21:37:35.993Z

marty- only you

kate has two choice's-

toe the royal family line
or avoid dark tunnel's.