Comments on The Pensive Quill: An Ode To Brother John

Myth HedgeHOG wrote: “A clearly unwell John McGir...

2012-08-04T21:58:33.471+01:00

Myth HedgeHOG wrote:

“A clearly unwell John McGirr writing of ‘Holy Inquistions’ in a comment response is an illustration of how religious maniacs perfume up atrocities to justify their slavish religious adherence.”

The Congregation of the Holy Office of the Inquisition is just a little clumsy. It is typically shortened to ‘Holy Office’ or ‘Holy Inquisition’.

Time to bust your myths again.

http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/protestantism/
holinquisit.htm

“Re McGirrs accusation i support anti Jew propagan...

2012-08-04T20:24:14.362+01:00

“Re McGirrs accusation i support anti Jew propaganda – is a blatant lie & you will note he supplied no link to it to prove his accusation.”

http://maryhedgehog.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/FYI%20-%20The%20Terrible%20Teachings%20of%20the%20Talmud

There is an interesting essay produced by the ADL, called 'The Talmud in Anti-Semitic Polemics', where it deals with each of her 'vile' accusations.

After answering them it states:

“Are the polemicists anti-Semites? This is a charged term that should not be used lightly, but the answer, by and large, is yes.”

It concludes:

“It is impossible in this context to deal with all of the quotes from Jewish literature cited by anti-Semites in their effort to denigrate Judaism and spread their own vile views. The above examples characterize how anti-Semites are able to mangle and distort rabbinic and Talmudic passages. Nearly every other explanation of passages cited by anti-Talmud polemicists contain similar ignorance, distortion or tendentious interpretation.”

Poor Mary has been reading too much of David Dukes and she wants to ban the Talmud. Not only is she outed as an anti-Semite, but her liberal credentials are fairly tattered too.

Marty, brilliant form!!

2012-08-04T13:05:13.447+01:00

Marty,

brilliant form!!

I cant understand why christians are against gay m...

2012-08-04T10:28:24.570+01:00

I cant understand why christians are against gay marriage..Jesus had two dads and he turned out ok...how is the eucharist like a dick? both get shoved down your throat by a priest ..

John, the problem with hating error is that it le...

2012-08-01T09:35:04.748+01:00

John,

the problem with hating error is that it leads to the rise of a witch hunting caste. The Communists shout 'deviationist' and the religious shout 'heretic'. Thus, the witch hunt begins.

I am always suspicious of somebody who claims they hate error just as I am suspicious of someone saying they love truth. They claim these are the things that drive them. It is always error in others and the truth about others that they really love. it is the only place the find it. When others find it in them there is hue and cry - more witches to be added to the ever growing list as the purges increase. Any challenge to them drives them mad and makes them even more authoritarian than they already are.

SMH, ‘it is hard to believe McGirr is real.’ He ...

2012-07-31T21:55:11.050+01:00

SMH,

‘it is hard to believe McGirr is real.’

He is real alright. The vitriol in his perspective is so self defeating. And he genuinely can’t see the hatred there. I think he finds it hard to come to terms with the decreasing influence of the Church, the fact that the clerics are treated like the members of any other private club, and that people refuse to let the clerics bully them or allow them to set moral standards.

If there are issues you need to address in another article then feel free to do so. You are always welcome here. I think one on the tactics the Church uses to intimidate and outmanoeuvre its victims would be a very worthwhile piece.

‘His well fed, lying smug religious sneer of a mug pulls up the rage!’

I sort of felt that myself looking at Pell

Brother John John, ‘No such thing as a Catholic ...

2012-07-31T07:29:30.567+01:00

Brother John

John,

‘No such thing as a Catholic without dogma.’

More’s the pity. Those most dogmatic are usually those with the least to be dogmatic about. It is mean to conceal a weak position and protect some self styled authority.

‘Anthony was shrewd in letting the rabid religious dog off the leash...’

It is unfortunate that he comes across as such but at the end of the day he is the author of his own writings and is free to argue what he wants how he wants. I didn’t let him off the leash. John just has the same unfettered access as others. I guess it is advantageous from a humanist standpoint that he makes religion sound so deranged. In Holland before his death at the hands of a clerical fascist Theo Van Gogh had a habit of getting into TV exchanges with the most blinkered of the Islam devotees. He would goad them by calling them goat fuckers and they would go bonkers, spitting nails and threatening with the violence of hell. After that there was only one winner – Van Gogh. So when John starts in similar fashion we have the same kind of result regardless of what is been argued about. But that is not why we allow him on. He simply gets the same crack at the issues as the rest of us. Even were he to make a compelling argument that won the day he would still get access.

‘Re McGirrs accusation i support anti Jew propaganda – is a blatant lie & you will note he supplied no link to it to prove his accusation.’

I doubt very much if you would support it. In fact I think John has been anti-Jewish, although not on racial grounds.

‘Talmudic teachings are horrific.’

From the examples you provide it very much seems that they are.
‘religious maniacs perfume up atrocities to justify their slavish religious adherence.’
And all because they are brimming over with love.

‘one sees why a religious fanatic becomes agitated and vicious when challenged about their fanaticism.’

They don’t like it, that’s for sure. But fanatics are all like that, religious or not.

@AM it is hard to believe McGirr is real (i did ha...

2012-07-31T05:15:18.295+01:00

@AM it is hard to believe McGirr is real (i did have me doubts & still do – thought he was a loyalist playing games at one stage) I also wondered if he was a plant! I think he has musta done his dash & has retreated into the world of pseudo sanctity offline– rosary beads & novenas land. He kinda peaked with vitriol & madness & outdid himself.

What astounded me & should not have is how he illustrated in his comments what is said to us RC abuse victims over & over by head honchos etc All that effort to negate the truth & revictimise the victim but it serves a purpose to show how it all rolls. Another tactic they do is tell you to forgive the perps and forgive the Church & that to be angry is not Christlike... So the victim is effectively given guilt trips for speaking out, expressing appropriate emotions etc. Damm i should have covered that in the article but i guess many do know this.

It is important because it is why survivors suicide too as they get o/whelmed by the games... that is why I would rather an athiest or secular approach for help for survivors. Otherwise they get tangled up in more horror...

Detaching from emotive responses is best this i know. I just don’t have the time or energy to engage on & on with the brick wall of religiosity.

It does me head in & i feel violent with rage which is debilitating... Even seeing a picture of Pell from Hell or hearing his blather on TV has that impact on me His well fed, lying smug religious sneer of a mug pulls up the rage!

McGirr may come back with renewed vigour... He is all yours - wield the sanity baton on him!
I was wrong –> thought Carrie wrote the poem ! sorry Carrie ahaha Whoever wrote it is very clever. Was a great laugh. Jesus loves John McGirr but i think he is a RUNT as well as a c!

John. ‘I cannot abide LIARS and FRAUDS who have a...

2012-07-30T22:46:32.610+01:00

John.

‘I cannot abide LIARS and FRAUDS who have a hate filled agenda whilst whining and wallowing in their alleged victimhood.’

At last you have explained plausibly why you haven’t bothered with the Church in years.

‘just what is "the funny side" to being called a "cunt"?’

Much funnier than what you called SMH. In any event you were hardly called anything. It was a wind up.
SMH is not the author of the poem nor does she run TPQ and cannot therefore certify you as a cunt on the basis of the piece.

Saint?MaryHedgehog

‘you even went sniffing around my blog for smear evidence & came up with something someone else had written on a referral link. Nasty wee piece of works ain't ya.’
I don’t know if John did that. It does sound like what the Scientologists do with those who disagree with them.

‘It is perfectly obvious to me that Anthony’s partner wrote the poem.’

She didn’t.

Just finished reading Susan Boyles new book.... fi...

2012-07-30T18:15:29.709+01:00

Just finished reading Susan Boyles new book.... fifty shaves a day...

mackers im just relieved ye know the zombie facto...

2012-07-30T12:19:19.250+01:00

mackers
im just relieved ye know the zombie factor...im feelin in my 'comfort zone' lol

Fionnuala We watched a movie about Queen Victoria ...

2012-07-30T10:45:49.854+01:00

Fionnuala
We watched a movie about Queen Victoria and her Albert. Can't help thinkin your man must be in a similar straightjacket lol

Mackers, It is a great poem and seriously funny a...

2012-07-29T23:31:11.587+01:00

Mackers,
It is a great poem and seriously funny as is the Jesus card.
I just always remember being terrorised at the thought of hell when I was young.
I used to think about all those vile people sitting about all day getting burned and being forever fearful I was going to join them.
Albert says, 'its early yet!'

Hell is a dry pub,a mate with short arms and deep ...

2012-07-29T20:59:11.751+01:00

Hell is a dry pub,a mate with short arms and deep pockets, a leaky boat,a lake full of fish that wont bite,a beautiful woman without a smile, now as they used to say in Jerusalem fuck sake look busy Jesus is coming...

Nuala, absolutely right. people have the right to...

2012-07-29T20:23:21.554+01:00

Nuala,

absolutely right. people have the right to believe something different without being called a heretic or a fool. But it very much depends on what people believe. A heretic is only someone the dogma can't cope with and in its arrogance tries to marginalise. A fool is someone who persistently believes the most foolish of things.

As for the poem I had to laugh when Carrie said to me that even she is being blamed for writing it! It is simply banter and a wind up. Nothing serious to be be attached to it.

Hell and all that doesn't concern me in the slightest. Like canon law, as they say, just crap they make up. They even made up a place called Limbo to put the children in. Something evil about that sort of mind.

Mackers, I thought the poem and the card was hila...

2012-07-29T18:20:44.523+01:00

Mackers,
I thought the poem and the card was hilarious.
Having said that, I don't think people should be called fools just because they believe something different.
The threat of hell always got me as a child. I remember asking my mother, if you behaved in hell would they let you out?'
To which she sympathetically replied, you won't ever go there.
I think from then on I was determined not to, spoofing in confession and going to the apostolic kniting class in the hope it would get me off the hook.

A social worker visited a nursing home and asks an...

2012-07-29T18:14:29.046+01:00

A social worker visited a nursing home and asks an old lady"have you been bed ridden since you got here?"the old lady replies"a couple of times,but I prefer it from behind over my zimmer frame"

Just the Quill Larry. I enjoy holy communion with ...

2012-07-29T14:07:25.647+01:00

Just the Quill Larry. I enjoy holy communion with a glass of wine! It brings out the zombie in me!

Larry, Amen to that

2012-07-29T13:59:53.568+01:00

Larry,

Amen to that

how sad that John sees child rape victims as nothi...

2012-07-29T12:38:45.926+01:00

how sad that John sees child rape victims as nothing more than unfortunate colateral damage. God bless the Pope.

my morning coffee just wouldn't be the same wi...

2012-07-29T11:33:14.185+01:00

my morning coffee just wouldn't be the same without 'The Quill'.

The Psychological Bumboy for the Vatican aka McGir...

2012-07-29T10:34:52.644+01:00

The Psychological Bumboy for the Vatican aka McGirr’s persistent antics are hardly worth a glance – Anthony was was shrewd in letting the rabid religious dog off the leash... The dog has slathered and blundered with hate the full circuit and now is heading into i will try & dig up some slander on someone, anyone... With religious fanatics the pattern is always the same when they r cornered...

Tis a tragic spectacle religious fanaticism but i have to say McGirr has the cutting edge on lowness & coward mode down pat.
A Poster Boy for why the Catholic religion is doomed! The Irish born & bred version Catholick psychological bumboy for the Vatican And Jesus wept...

Re McGirrs accusation i support anti Jew propaganda – is a blatant lie & you will note he supplied no link to it to prove his accusation.
I did one blog entry ages ago and it is still there & titled The Terrible Teachings of the Talmud with direct quotes from the Talmud. This was to illustrate why evil religious teaching facilitated/attempted to justify the razing of Palestinian peoples by a portion of Jews NOT all Jews. Talmudic teachings are horrific. A sample:

Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.
Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.
Abodah Zarah 22a-22b. Gentiles prefer sex with cows.
Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.
Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."
Sanhedrin 57a. When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.

Conversely there are other world religion teachings including Christianity that are imo equally as horrific if taken out of context or tweaked to serve a purpose (ie) subjugation of women. A clearly unwell John McGirr writing of ‘Holy Inquistions’ in a comment response is an illustration of how religious maniacs perfume up atrocities to justify their slavish religious adherence. Religious fanaticism is a form of mental illness...

It only ever spawns hate and atrocities. Often when religious fanaticism is stripped away from the adherent there is usually only a hollow shell of a person because they have not forged their own identity but shaped one out of religious ID.

Hence one sees why a religious fanatic becomes agitated and vicious when challenged about their fanaticism.
Sin-e

Sitting here with the kids as they watch a film ca...

2012-07-29T10:15:43.149+01:00

Sitting here with the kids as they watch a film called Smash. There is a scene in a cgurch where the preacher gets up and starts a praise the lord rant. The two of them just rolled their eyes and started laughing at 'the mad' as the 7 year old calls them. Would have loved a recording of it. Just so funny.

I love the way that at 7 he talks about the big bang and how humans evolved. Tell him about a talking snake and a magical garden 6000 years ago and he would look at you as if you had two heads and neither of them functioning.

SSMHitler88, "On decent Catholics ‘You would...

2012-07-29T07:21:50.543+01:00

SSMHitler88,

"On decent Catholics ‘You would shame them with your dogma and hate.’"

No such thing as a Catholic without dogma.

I hate no one, but I do hate error. You have to do that if you love truth. Two sides of the same coin. Love the good, hate the bad. It is the only way.

Excuse me if I ignore you for a while. You are taking up too much of my life. Maybe you can go and bait a few Jews on your hate filled-blog!

SMH, "What is so mad is you even went sniffi...

2012-07-29T07:16:09.476+01:00

SMH,

"What is so mad is you even went sniffing around my blog for smear evidence"

Now, how many times have you invited me to read your Blog?

Some nasty stuff on the Jews, too, for one who condemned me only lately. SSMHitler88!

Thanks for telling me who wrote the poem. I knew someone would spill!